Jesus false prophet

[Popeyesays]

Where did I ever state that he didn't understand Hebrew? My point was the fact that Yahshua chose Hebrew when speaking to Saul. No where does it state that He spoke any other language that I can find.

Saul chose to HEAR in Hebrew, that is no proof that God spoke in any language at all.

I'm sure you have some sort of secular source that you get this from for I find it no where in the Scripture.

"Aramaic is a Semitic language with a 3,000-year history. It has been the language of administration of empires and the language of divine worship. It is the original language of large sections of the biblical books of Daniel and Ezra, and is the main language of the Talmud. Aramaic is believed to have been the language spoken by Jesus, and it is still spoken today as a first language by numerous small communities.
Aramaic belongs to the Afro-Asiatic language family. Within that diverse family, it belongs to the Semitic subfamily. Aramaic is a part of the Northwest Semitic group of languages, which also includes the Canaanite languages (including Hebrew)." Wikpedia

Again.......... Not Scriptural that I can find. I will state that one would think that some would use some Aramaic mixed in with the Hebrew back then as there are words mixed in with English that came from many different languages. That is just a thought and is in no way meant to be fact other than just a thought. We can sit and speak of all the secular info in the world and all our own thoughts and beliefs and dreams for that matter but it still doesn't excuse the fact that He chose to speak in Hebrew as it is written.

Again Saul HEARD in Hebrew, it was inside his head, and no one else heard any words at all. The other travellers heard thunder. Maybe he was struck by lightning?

There are many places through out the entire Scriptures that messengers used dreams and visions to reveal things. Now your debating the tactic in which was chosen by the One that chose it. lol...... Maybe you don't think that YAH could make you understand Hebrew if He so chose to do so huh?

Of course He could. The fact is that if God speaks to man man hears it in his head. Only on rare occasions has the voice of God been heard by groups of people, and I do not think that there is any notation of what the language they heard might have been.

Regards,
Scott

 

[joeboonda]

Was Jesus a false prophet? Were all the prophets that prophesied of him false prophets? Are you a false prophet, am I? I read the Bible, I read books about the Bible, I have studied and in my opinion, Jesus was not a false prophet. Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, the Messiah, the Son of God, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. This is what I believe, I respect your right to not believe it, to make fun of it, or whatever, but time will tell, I guess, for we will all die soon, and find out all about it. Thing is, my Bible says we can know now that we have eternal life now, by trusting in Jesus Christ. I will do that, and see what happens. God bless you and may we all learn and grow in love and grace. Peace and respect!
Mike

 

[FFH]

Joshua lead Israel into the promised land. Yahshua (Jesus) is trying to do the same thing, with Israel today. Yahshua (Jesus) ministered to the Jews first, and now Yahshua (Jesus) is ministering to the Gentiles as "Jesus the Christ". He will later appear on the Mount of Olives to the literal house of Israel as "Yahshua ya Moshiach".

 

[FFH]

Again, I want to reiterate that Jesus (Iesous) is not a literal translation from Hebrew. You have helped me to understand that.

To many of the Gentiles Jesus (Iesous) was their God, or (my Zeus). Zeus was the God of all Gods. To the Greeks and other Gentiles, Jesus would have been considered the God of all Gods, because of his miraculous healing powers.


It was a centurion that said, "Truly this was the Son of God"

Centurion - Commander of a century (group of a hundred) in the Roman army.


Matthew 27: 54 (this is a link to this scripture in it's full context)

54- Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying. Truly this was the Son of God.


Mark 15: 34-39 (this is a link to these scriptures in their full context)

34- And the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?

35- And some of them stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias.

36- And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone, let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.

37- And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.

38- And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

39- And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

 

[booshard]

ok to answer the question in general...of course he is false...the only proof of his existance is the bible and stuff that believers have written to turn other people into christians. A lot of the things in the bible are sick to be honest. One of your 'heros' in the old testiment by the name of Lot abused his own children...so im going to have to think that the bible is very, very unarguably in my mind...wrong! sorry to offend but...i cant help myself

 

[Popeyesays]

We don't use the "F" word on this board, I should point out.

 

[FFH]

Another site, I am looking at, says that the name Jesus can be defined this way; Ea (healing) Zeus (God of all God's). Jesus Christ was referred to as the healing God of all Gods, according to the Greeks.

 

[Super Universe]

Dear sir:
We can argue endlessly that red is really green or vice versa? If you do not wish to accept that a man named Jesus lived 2000 years ago was a son of man then that is your choice.

Forgive those who trespass against us? Read the words in the New Testament. If they do not touch you then you are simply too closed off. Has anyone ever spoken such things?

The Old Testament proclaims and eye for an eye while the New Testament says to forgive. Do you think one old book can hope to perfectly explain God?

Open your mind because there is so much for us to learn about the universe and we all are really taking a very long time with it.
But it is your choice.

 

[wmam]

Saul chose to HEAR in Hebrew, that is no proof that God spoke in any language at all.





"Aramaic is a Semitic language with a 3,000-year history. It has been the language of administration of empires and the language of divine worship. It is the original language of large sections of the biblical books of Daniel and Ezra, and is the main language of the Talmud. Aramaic is believed to have been the language spoken by Jesus, and it is still spoken today as a first language by numerous small communities.
Aramaic belongs to the Afro-Asiatic language family. Within that diverse family, it belongs to the Semitic subfamily. Aramaic is a part of the Northwest Semitic group of languages, which also includes the Canaanite languages (including Hebrew)." Wikpedia





Again Saul HEARD in Hebrew, it was inside his head, and no one else heard any words at all. The other travellers heard thunder. Maybe he was struck by lightning?





Of course He could. The fact is that if God speaks to man man hears it in his head. Only on rare occasions has the voice of God been heard by groups of people, and I do not think that there is any notation of what the language they heard might have been.

Regards,
Scott

Yep.......... I have read wikipedia a many of time. Its not Scripture but hey.......... its a good secular source I would say. I still haven't seen any Scriptural proof however. We as men can sit and say that they all spoke Pig-Latin back then but it would be the same as what you have said. It still wouldn't be Scriptural. I believe that the Hebrew was chosen for a reason. Yes ......... maybe they all could speak and understand Pig-Latin to but Hebrew was chose. Period.

 

[Popeyesays]

Yep.......... I have read wikipedia a many of time. Its not Scripture but hey.......... its a good secular source I would say. I still haven't seen any Scriptural proof however. We as men can sit and say that they all spoke Pig-Latin back then but it would be the same as what you have said. It still wouldn't be Scriptural. I believe that the Hebrew was chosen for a reason. Yes ......... maybe they all could speak and understand Pig-Latin to but Hebrew was chose. Period.

And I believe God's message to man is meant to be UNDERSTOOD, not hidden behind a language some can understand and some cannot. Period.

Regards,
Scott

 

[wmam]

I understand where you are coming from COMPLETELY. Jesus is not a literal translation from the Hebrew name Yahshua, or Joshua, as we say in English. It is totally a Greek name, and I totally agree with you on that now. You have brought up such a great point.

Saul and Jesus would have spoken both Hebrew and Greek, as was common of those that lived in Jerusalem and the surrounding areas, as a result of the Roman occupation in that area, and the obvious presence of so many Israelites in that area. It was necessary to know at least the basics of the Greek and Hebrew language, no matter what descent you were from, in order to communicate with the Romans and the Israelis, which would have made up the majority of the population. But this really has nothing to do with what I am thinking of at the moment.

Why did Yahshua choose to be called by a Greek name throughout history, and throughout the world. If Jesus had gone by the name Yahshua, why did the KJV not translate this Hebrew name Yahshua into the English equivalent, Joshua ??? Why did Jesus use the Greek name Iesous while on earth ??? Why has Jesus Christ insisted on keeping the name Iesous and not Yahshua ???? These are all extremely good things to ponder. It is worthy of a great discussion, and I think most of us missed your point, Alexander, and I am sorry for that. I cannot think of a more pertinent, or more important topic, that needs to be addressed. This is an extremely legitimate question, and I can appreciate your opening post much better now, after having read it over several times. This is a subject that I have pondered much about, in the past, but have pushed it into the inner most parts of my brain, until now.

I have some thoughts on this subject, I just need to get them together.

Okay, here goes. I am confident this will explain why "Yahshua ya Moshiach", or it's equivalent in English, "Joshua the Messiah", chose to be referred to as, "Jesus the Christ", to all the world, and not, "Yahshua ya Moshiach". He is both, however, to the Gentiles he wants to be referred to as "Jesus the Christ", and to the Jews he wants to be referred to as "Yahshua ya Moshiach". This is what is in my heart . I believe that Yahshua (Jesus) would want me to say this.

After all this I thought there was going to be this grand and wonderful understanding poured out on us all......................... Not a jot or tittle of any of it be Scriptural. Doesn't anyone realize that YAH nor His Son Yahshua would have anything at all to do with anything that even came close to being pagan? That which would have been used to call on other gods and or used to worship other gods. Theres Scriptural TRUTH to back that up. I wouldn't put to much solace in what would be from mans own heart either. Its not what you think and feel that is going to matter when it comes down to the Righteous and True will of YAH our Elohim. Its His will which is found in His Word that matters. If it can't be backed up by His Word then of what use is it? To me..... not worth a thing. It might as well be bold face lies.

 

[wmam]

And I believe God's message to man is meant to be UNDERSTOOD, not hidden behind a language some can understand and some cannot. Period.

Regards,
Scott

Oh ............ this I agree on........... Lets not twist the point that was started here into some shotgun approach to the whole of the conversation here............... I never stated nor insinuated that YAH's message be in such a language that be not understood by all that believes. But what is there that would be so hard to understand if the name by which Yahshua's own mother used to call him was used instead of what perversions that man has devised? I say not a one. By what purpose would one have need to translate such a name unless there was an agenda behind it. I choose to believe that where it is written that by no other name given to man in all of heaven and all of the earth be used for salvation means just that. It was in Hebrew with all of its own contexts and meanings and not that of any other. Scott its pointless for you to continue when you have shown no Scriptural proof to support your stance. Only dribble from mans own prideful hearts.

 

[Popeyesays]

Oh ............ this I agree on........... Lets not twist the point that was started here into some shotgun approach to the whole of the conversation here............... I never stated nor insinuated that YAH's message be in such a language that be not understood by all that believes. But what is there that would be so hard to understand if the name by which Yahshua's own mother used to call him was used instead of what perversions that man has devised? I say not a one. By what purpose would one have need to translate such a name unless there was an agenda behind it. I choose to believe that where it is written that by no other name given to man in all of heaven and all of the earth be used for salvation means just that. It was in Hebrew with all of its own contexts and meanings and not that of any other. Scott its pointless for you to continue when you have shown no Scriptural proof to support your stance. Only dribble from mans own prideful hearts.

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet."

William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet.

That surely applies to the Creator as well. The Muslims recognize 99 names of God, Baha`i's even more.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Popeyesays]

"I call on Thee O Friend, O Physician, O Captivating One! Thou the Sufficing, Thou the Healing, Thou the Abiding, O Thou Abiding One!
I call on Thee O Glory, O Beauty, O Bountiful One! Thou the Sufficing, Thou the Healing, Thou the Abiding, O Thou Abiding One!
I call on Thee O the Most Trusted, O the Best Lover, O Lord of the Dawn! Thou the Sufficing, Thou the Healing, Thou the Abiding, O Thou Abiding One!
I call on Thee O Enkindler, O Brightener, O Bringer of Delight! Thou the Sufficing, Thou the Healing, Thou the Abiding, O Thou Abiding One!
I call on Thee O Lord of Bounty, O Most Compassionate, O Most Merciful One! Thou the Sufficing, Thou the Healing, Thou the Abiding, O Thou Abiding One! 96
I call on Thee O Constant One, O Life-giving One, O Source of all Being! Thou the Sufficing, Thou the Healing, Thou the Abiding, O Thou Abiding One!
I call on Thee O Thou Who penetratest all things, O All-Seeing God, O Lord of Utterance! Thou the Sufficing, Thou the Healing, Thou the Abiding, O Thou Abiding One!
I call on Thee O Manifest yet Hidden, O Unseen yet Renowned, O Onlooker sought by all! Thou the Sufficing, Thou the Healing, Thou the Abiding, O Thou Abiding One!
I call on Thee O Thou Who slayest the Lovers, O God of Grace to the wicked! Thou the Sufficing, Thou the Healing, Thou the Abiding, O Thou Abiding One!
O Sufficer, I call on Thee, O Sufficer!
O Healer, I call on Thee, O Healer!
O Abider, I call on Thee, O Abider!
Thou the Ever-Abiding, O Thou Abiding One!
(Compilations, Baha'i Prayers, p. 95)"

If you want to tell me that when I pray to those names I am NOT praying to God, then I have to say that is the silliest notion I have ever heard.

Regards,
Scott

 

[wmam]

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet."

William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet.

That surely applies to the Creator as well. The Muslims recognize 99 names of God, Baha`i's even more.

Regards,
Scott

That be your belief that you are more than welcome to have. I disagree very strongly with you which I am sure comes to no surprise to you.

 

[wmam]

If you want to tell me that when I pray to those names I am NOT praying to God, then I have to say that is the silliest notion I have ever heard.

Scott, I am not saying that you are not praying to what you call god. I am saying you are not Scripturally calling on the One that I call YAH.

 

[Popeyesays]

Scott, I am not saying that you are not praying to what you call god. I am saying you are not Scripturally calling on the One that I call YAH.

And that very statement is, in my estimation, a silly notion. THere is ONE Creator, not several.

Regards,
Scott

 

[wmam]

And that very statement is, in my estimation, a silly notion. THere is ONE Creator, not several.

Regards,
Scott

Yes, agreed. But you name what you call god by many names and I call my Elohim by the Name He gave. The One and Only Name of the One and Only. I rather choose that given by the One and Only YAH my Elohim than that of the silly notions of man.

 

[Popeyesays]

Yes, agreed. But you name what you call god by many names and I call my Elohim by the Name He gave. The One and Only Name of the One and Only. I rather choose that given by the One and Only YAH my Elohim than that of the silly notions of man.

What about "Adonai" is that objectionable to you? Or what about "Hashem"? Those are also Hebrew names for God are they not?

Now why is it inexcusable to address God in y0our own language? What if you are ignorant of Hebrew. The Old Testament of the Christian Bible was not written in Hebrew at all, you know - it was in Greek. Is Theos objectionable? And if not how about "Allah" since that is God in Arabic? "Mon Dieu" in French? "Mein Gott" in German?

It seems to me that you are saying God only speaks Hebrew.

Regards,
Scott

 

[alexander garcia]

Hi ,thank you all for caring enoff to look and read! I see some have even seen by reading it over and over. It seems funny to me the devil does that to people but as Yahshua stated seek and you shall find. But I do stand that scripture states that their is only ONE NAME and Jesus is not the ONE! Here is one if Jesus and Joshua are the same why is the 6th book not the book of Jesus as should be if it is the same name. It is the forfillment of prophesy many will come in my name saying they are ME! For the ones that don't realize there is a differance between a TITLE and a NAME. All the titles that have been used are titles not names Mr.President, Doctor are not names!!!!!!!!! That in it's self seems so amazing that people can't see and it is the devil that blinds them to even the simpliest of things! Find anywhere where it states my name is adoni or Elohim. Look at the response that was given to Moses. Look it up in Hebrew cause it was not I am,EX 3:14,15 and 6:3 shall I give you many more whereHe states this only is my name?