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Jesus family tomb

autonomous1one1

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
You guys are making your points. I think they are worth getting authentically spelled out for all the laymen that are swayed by the show. Angellous, if I am understanding correctly you totally disagree with the 'statistical' analysis of the name probabilities as presented. Right?
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
autonomous1one1 said:
You guys are making your points. I think they are worth getting authentically spelled out for all the laymen that are swayed by the show. Angellous, if I am understanding correctly you totally disagree with the 'statistical' analysis of the name probabilities as presented. Right?

Yes. Not only do I disagree with them, I think that the guy who presented the stats is unqualified to make such claims - not mathematically but archeaologically. He's being taken advantage of by the producers... Much better statistics concerning names are available from historians who actually know something about ancient nomenclature.
 

blueman

God's Warrior
Here are the flaws associated with the Cameron Hollywood Production (source: New Testament scholar Gary Habermas)

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]All the indications we have dictate that Jesus was not from Jerusalem, so why would the family tomb be located there, especially for more than one generation, as was usually the case?[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]This tomb is considered to be an upper class crypt, or at least to have been a very expensive one, unlike Jesus' family standing.[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]It should not be forgotten, either, that these tombs were frequently kept over a period of decades. Therefore, this tomb could easily contain persons from earlier family generations, or even adopted members whose parents had passed away, or even treasured servants![/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]In the ancient literature, Jesus is not known as "the son of Joseph."[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]If family members readily knew of Jesus' death, burial, and lack of bodily resurrection appearances, how did Christianity get off the ground, since this was the central proclamation?[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Where was the body hidden?[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Who moved the bones later to the family tomb?[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Since names were so prominently displayed on the outside of the ossuary, it does not appear that this matter was being concealed at all.[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Much research has shown that, from the very beginning, Jesus was proclaimed by his followers as having been raised from the grave, appearing bodily to many, including the dreaded persecutor Saul (Paul) and the skeptic James, the brother of Jesus.[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]What did Paul think he saw on the road to Damascus?[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]James would have readily known of the family burial plot and who was interred there. How could he truly believe that his brother had been raised from the dead and that he had appeared to him?[/FONT]
  • [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]In the Jewish context of that time, where the predominant conception of a resurrection was that of a literal, bodily resurrection, how could James believe and proclaim his brother's resurrection appearances while knowing that Jesus' body had already rotted and that his bones had been labeled and reburied? This exceptionally strong historical evidence must all be explained.[/FONT]
It was a nice production, but the Talpiot Tomb is old news since this story has been around since 1980.
 

autonomous1one1

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
angellous_evangellous said:
Yes. Not only do I disagree with them, I think that the guy who presented the stats is unqualified to make such claims - not mathematically but archeaologically. He's being taken advantage of by the producers... Much better statistics concerning names are available from historians who actually know something about ancient nomenclature.
Thanks, that is what I suspected. Let me ask, what did people think of comments on the Book of Philip and the names Mariamne and Jose?
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
autonomous1one1 said:
Thanks, that is what I suspected. Let me ask, what did people think of comments on the Book of Philip and the names Mariamne and Jose?
:ignore:
 

autonomous1one1

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
blueman said:
Here are the flaws associated with the Cameron Hollywood Production (source: New Testament scholar Gary Habermas)

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]All the indications ...........[/FONT][FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]. [/FONT]
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Thanks for the post, Blueman. - all adding to the improbabilities of this 'discovery.'
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
autonomous1one1 said:
lol, ignore me, the Book of Philip, or the shows deduction - or all three?:)

Not you by any means....or the Book of Philip... I don't think that the argument regarding names is convincing in any of its forms.
 

blueman

God's Warrior
The Book of Phillip is a fanciful depiction of Jesus's followers accomplishing great feats such as converting a talking leopard and goat to salvation and slaying a dragon. I would not considered this 4th century garbage much of a credible source of information.
 
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