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Jesus/God/Quick question

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Unveiled Artist

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I posted this as a reply in another forum, but thought this was odd. Q & A.

Christians who have a relationship with christ either believe christ is god/creator (Colossians 1:15) or believe god/creator with christ as a medium (1 Timothy 2:5).

Which is right: Is jesus god/creator or is jesus a medium between god/creator and man?

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Tzephanyahu

Tzephanyahu

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Hi @Unveiled Artist

Good question.

Yahushua (Jesus Christ) is the Son of Yahweh, the Creator.

Whilst Jesus is united with His Father in one will, mind and spirit, they are two distinct beings.

At this time, all authority of the Father, Yahweh, has been given into the hands of His Son. So this means He carries all the authority of Yahweh. The only thing that isn't under His authority is the Father Himself.

If it helps you understand it, consider the ancient Kings in Israel. The king would be the ultimate ruler but would often have the prince reign in his stead. The prince would be co-regent in all of the kingdom. As far as the people were concerned, the prince was also king and what he said was final. But they understood that the greater of the co-regency was the king himself.

Finally another example might be seen in the story of Joseph. He ruled Egypt with all authority and all obeyed him as pharaoh. But the ultimate power above Joseph in Egypt was pharaoh himself.

But Yahushua is not Yahweh, just as a prince isn't the king and Joseph wasn't pharaoh.

I hope that helps and I haven't made the matter more confusing!

Peace.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Tzephanyahu said:
Hi @Unveiled Artist

Good question.

Yahushua (Jesus Christ) is the Son of Yahweh, the Creator.

Whilst Jesus is united with His Father in one will, mind and spirit, they are two distinct beings.

At this time, all authority of the Father, Yahweh, has been given into the hands of His Son. So this means He carries all the authority of Yahweh. The only thing that isn't under His authority is the Father Himself.

If it helps you understand it, consider the ancient Kings in Israel. The king would be the ultimate ruler but would often have the prince reign in his stead. The prince would be co-regent in all of the kingdom. As far as the people were concerned, the prince was also king and what he said was final. But they understood that the greater of the co-regency was the king himself.

Finally another example might be seen in the story of Joseph. He ruled Egypt with all authority and all obeyed him as pharaoh. But the ultimate power above Joseph in Egypt was pharaoh himself.

But Yahushua is not Yahweh, just as a prince isn't the king and Joseph wasn't pharaoh.

I hope that helps and I haven't made the matter more confusing!

Peace.
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It would be the second one, if I'm understanding you correctly?
 
PearlSeeker

PearlSeeker

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I don't know what is right. I personally believe the whole universe is incarnation/manifestation of God. Jesus is a man who realized perfect love and unity and wanted to awake the same in us/between us (Me and my Father are one, I am the way, I gave you an example).
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
PearlSeeker said:
I don't know what is right. I personally believe the whole universe is incarnation/manifestation of God. Jesus is a man who realized perfect love and unity and wanted to awake the same in us/between us (Me and my Father are one, I am the way, I gave you an example).
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Does jesus, as a man, realize love because he is perfect like god or does jesus realize perfect love because he is perfect love?

Can he both be perfect love and realize it as man or do you believe he as a man can realize it but that doesn't make him love itself?
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
Why would either one necessarily be right? Both strike me as wrong, IMO.
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To those who believe either of them via scripture, they both seem to contradict each other. So, from a christian perspective, I haven't came across a christian who believe both jesus is god and not god at the same time. If you're familiar with christianity, which do you believe makes more sense from that perspective rather than yours?
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

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Unveiled Artist said:
To those who believe either of them via scripture, they both seem to contradict each other. So, from a christian perspective, I haven't came across a christian who believe both jesus is god and not god at the same time. If you're familiar with christianity, which do you believe makes more sense from that perspective rather than yours?
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I think both positions are supported by the Bible. It's contradictory on the point, IMO.
 
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1213

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Unveiled Artist said:
I posted this as a reply in another forum, but thought this was odd. Q & A.

Christians who have a relationship with christ either believe christ is god/creator (Colossians 1:15) or believe god/creator with christ as a medium (1 Timothy 2:5)....
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I believe as Timothy says, Jesus is the mediator between God and men. And I also believe things were created through him, in which I think he is also the mediator.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
1 Timothy 2:5

who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him were all things created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him.
Colossians 1:15-16
 
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Unveiled Artist

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1213 said:
I believe as Timothy says, Jesus is the mediator between God and men. And I also believe things were created through him, in which I think he is also the mediator.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
1 Timothy 2:5

who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him were all things created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him.
Colossians 1:15-16
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How do you interpret the other verse Colossians in relation to the other and your verses saying he is the mediator instead of incarnation?
 
Psalm23

Psalm23

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Unveiled Artist said:
I posted this as a reply in another forum, but thought this was odd. Q & A.

Christians who have a relationship with christ either believe christ is god/creator (Colossians 1:15) or believe god/creator with christ as a medium (1 Timothy 2:5).

Which is right: Is jesus god/creator or is jesus a medium between god/creator and man?

There we go.
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I believe both are right.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Tzephanyahu said:
Well not really the "second one", but the first offspring of the principal one.

I believe Yahweh uses the terms Father and Son so that we can understand the matter in our terms.

I hope that helps.
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I don't understand. What do you mean by the principle of the second one?

If jesus is the son (or prince) who has the authority of his father except the father himself, that would make him human and was given authority to be a medium between his father and man (the second one).

In principle?
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
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Unveiled Artist said:
I posted this as a reply in another forum, but thought this was odd. Q & A.

Christians who have a relationship with christ either believe christ is god/creator (Colossians 1:15) or believe god/creator with christ as a medium (1 Timothy 2:5).

Which is right: Is jesus god/creator or is jesus a medium between god/creator and man?

There we go.
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Both, as He is God and man, so the perfect bridge between the two.
 
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