JESUS, God, the Ordinal First and Last

[joelr]

won a debate? with yourself.... that don't count as a win... lol, lol, lol,
maybe to .... U .... lol, lol, Oh dear. have at it with yourself.....

101G.

No I agree, you didn't even try to contest anything or enter evidence or anything at all except claims, emojis, and "LOL".
But I did demonstrate my points and you ....uh, do what's above.....
So debating isn't your thing clearly. But you engaged and made claims and failed to make a case. SO yes, it counts.

 

[101G]

You haven't established any God or any words that a God wrote. The Bible is written by men using myths and wisdom from other nations. As evidence demonstrates.

your
First ERROR of the Hour, for there are Many for the Day.... (smile).
#1. "The Bible is written by men using myths and wisdom from other nations". ERROR, all records were written by men, but the Bible was spoken to men to write. that's the First difference. they didn't write on their own.

#2. now, my God and Father is "JESUS"/"YESHUA", the Only TRUE and LIVING God...... (smile).

next...

101G.

 

[101G]

No I agree, you didn't even try to contest anything or enter evidence or anything at all except claims, emojis, and "LOL".

I don't contest myths..... Yikes!

101G.

 

[joelr]

so we can take this as you cannot discuss the TRUTH/Bible? thought so.

if not discuss Isaiah chapter 53 and prove it's a myths......

101G.

Sure, cannot prove anything. I cannot prove Santa Clause isn't real. That isn't the aim. It's to provide reasonable evidence of a claim to base beliefs on.
Scholarship has already done much of the work which is why we study scholars.

"Although the book of Isaiah claims to have been written by Isaiah the son of Amos (1:1), most Bible scholars consider it to be a composite book, written by several authors over a period of several centuries. It consists of three books: First or Proto-Isaiah, Chapters 1-39, written in the 8th century BCE; Second or Deutero-Isaiah, Chapters 40-55, written in the 6th century BCE during the Babylonian Exile; and Third or Trito-Isaiah, Chapters 56-66, written by an anonymous author after the exile."




So it isn't likely written by the Son of Amos. Which would make it yet another myth.

 

[101G]

No I agree, you didn't even try to contest anything or enter evidence or anything at all except claims, emojis, and "LOL".
But I did demonstrate my points and you ....uh, do what's above.....
So debating isn't your thing clearly. But you engaged and made claims and failed to make a case. SO yes, it counts.

well then pat ... "YOUSELF." on the back..... because no one else will.... self serving is wonderful.... lol, lol, lol. Oh dear....

101G.

 

[101G]

I cannot prove Santa Clause isn't real.

you're kidding us.... Santa Clause isn't real? Oh my what are we going to do now? ........ LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL


101G

 

[joelr]

your
First ERROR of the Hour, for there are Many for the Day.... (smile).
#1. "The Bible is written by men using myths and wisdom from other nations". ERROR, all records were written by men, but the Bible was spoken to men to write. that's the First difference. they didn't write on their own.

After a period of total nonsense posts now you are right back to ...........CLAIMS!!!!!!!!!

Demonstrate the bible was spoken to men by God. Demonstrate a God exists, demonstrate that God is Yahweh, demonstrate Yahweh spoke to people.
EVERY religion claims revelations. You don't believe Islam, Mormonism, JW, Cargo Cults, Hinduism, all religions from revelations. You believe these revelations. Why? Prove they are real. Evidence shows the theology from "God" isn't from God but taken from other nations. Clear proof these are made up stories.

#2. now, my God and Father is "JESUS"/"YESHUA", the Only TRUE and LIVING God...... (smile).

next...

101G.

And Hindus say Krishna is the only true living God. Islam says allah is the only true living God.
None of you have evidence. Evidence shows these are myths. Taken from older cultures.
Provide evidence.


Your living God looks suspiciously like a made-up God

"
Yahweh filled the role of national god in the kingdom of Israel (Samaria), which emerged in the 10th century BCE; and also in Judah, which emerged probably a century later[46] (no "God of Judah" is mentioned anywhere in the Bible).[43][44] During the reign of Ahab (c. 871–852 BCE), and particularly following his marriage to Jezebel, Baal may have briefly replaced Yahweh as the national god of Israel (but not Judah).[47][48]

In 9th century and the rejection of Baal worship associated with the prophets Elijah and Elisha the Yahweh-religion began to separate itself from its Canaanite heritage; this process continued over the period 800-500 BCE with legal and prophetic condemnations of the asherim, sun-worship and worship on the high places, along with practices pertaining to the dead and other aspects of the old religion.[49] Features of Baal, El, and Asherah were absorbed into Yahweh, El (or 'el) (Hebrew: אל) became a generic term meaning "god" as opposed to the name of a specific god, and epithets such as El Shaddai came to be applied to Yahweh alone.[50] In this atmosphere a struggle emerged between those who believed that Yahweh alone should be worshipped, and those who worshipped him within a larger group of gods;[51] the Yahweh-alone party, the party of the prophets and Deuteronomists, ultimately triumphed, and their victory lies behind the biblical narrative of an Israel vacillating between periods of "following other gods" and periods of fidelity to Yahweh.[51]"

 

[joelr]

I don't contest myths..... Yikes!

101G.

then you lose the debate.

 

[101G]

Santa Clause isn't real? can we discuss Isaiah chapter 53? (Smile)....

101G.

 

[joelr]

well then pat ... "YOUSELF." on the back..... because no one else will.... self serving is wonderful.... lol, lol, lol. Oh dear....

101G.

No I don't care. I am interested in what is true and want people who can challenge me and provide evidence to what is actually true. Prehaps I am already onto what is actually true.

 

[101G]

After a period of total nonsense posts now you are right back to ...........CLAIMS!!!!!!!!!

Demonstrate the bible was spoken to men by God. Demonstrate a God exists, demonstrate that God is Yahweh, demonstrate Yahweh spoke to people.
EVERY religion claims revelations. You don't believe Islam, Mormonism, JW, Cargo Cults, Hinduism, all religions from revelations. You believe these revelations. Why? Prove they are real. Evidence shows the theology from "God" isn't from God but taken from other nations. Clear proof these are made up stories.











And Hindus say Krishna is the only true living God. Islam says allah is the only true living God.
None of you have evidence. Evidence shows these are myths. Taken from older cultures.
Provide evidence.


Your living God looks suspiciously like a made-up God

"
Yahweh filled the role of national god in the kingdom of Israel (Samaria), which emerged in the 10th century BCE; and also in Judah, which emerged probably a century later[46] (no "God of Judah" is mentioned anywhere in the Bible).[43][44] During the reign of Ahab (c. 871–852 BCE), and particularly following his marriage to Jezebel, Baal may have briefly replaced Yahweh as the national god of Israel (but not Judah).[47][48]

In 9th century and the rejection of Baal worship associated with the prophets Elijah and Elisha the Yahweh-religion began to separate itself from its Canaanite heritage; this process continued over the period 800-500 BCE with legal and prophetic condemnations of the asherim, sun-worship and worship on the high places, along with practices pertaining to the dead and other aspects of the old religion.[49] Features of Baal, El, and Asherah were absorbed into Yahweh, El (or 'el) (Hebrew: אל) became a generic term meaning "god" as opposed to the name of a specific god, and epithets such as El Shaddai came to be applied to Yahweh alone.[50] In this atmosphere a struggle emerged between those who believed that Yahweh alone should be worshipped, and those who worshipped him within a larger group of gods;[51] the Yahweh-alone party, the party of the prophets and Deuteronomists, ultimately triumphed, and their victory lies behind the biblical narrative of an Israel vacillating between periods of "following other gods" and periods of fidelity to Yahweh.[51]"

2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

now prove the apostle was in ERROR, prove it......

101G.

 

[joelr]

you're kidding us.... Santa Clause isn't real? Oh my what are we going to do now? ........ LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL


101G

You don't get it . People say to "disprove" a God or deity, which is a fallacy. If I say Santa is real you know he is not but you cannot prove it to me.
There is just evidence that can be looked at and assesed if one has an open mind to look at all types of evidence. If I am convinced that he is real I will ignore any evidence and refuse to engage in an honest debate.

 

[joelr]

2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

now prove the apostle was in ERROR, prove it......

101G.

Ok, not prove but evidence favoring it is a fraud.


"
Although this epistle claims to have been written by Peter, he was almost certainly not its author. It was written around 90-100 CE, long after Peter's death. The late date is suspected because: verses 3:3-4 make excuses for the failure of the expected second coming of Christ; the author refers to "all of the letters of Paul" in a way that indicates that Paul's epistles were already considered equal to "the other scriptures;" and the epistle depends upon the letter of Jude, which is thought to have been written around 80-100 CE.

There's some embarrassing stuff in Second Peter. Noah is a "preacher of righteousness" (2:5), Lot is "a just and righteous man" (2:7-8), God plans to burn up the entire earth (3:10), and believers were already making excuses for Jesus' non-return 1900 years ago (3:4-8)."

 

[101G]

No I don't care.

sound like 101G...... (smile), lol, lol, lol.

. I am interested in what is true

no kidding.......

and want people who can challenge me and provide evidence to what is actually true.

evidence is in what one believe, either by "natural eyes", or "Spirit" ...

Prehaps I am already onto what is actually true.

Prehaps? ....... Prehaps not....... (smile).

101G.

 

[101G]

You don't get it . People say to "disprove" a God or deity, which is a fallacy. If I say Santa is real you know he is not but you cannot prove it to me.

the same with anything else.

There is just evidence that can be looked at and assesed if one has an open mind to look at all types of evidence.

is not the Word of God written to see?

If I am convinced that he is real I will ignore any evidence and refuse to engage in an honest debate.

that's very IGNORANT.

101G.

 

[101G]

Ok, not prove but evidence favoring it is a fraud.

by who?

101G

 

[101G]

Although this epistle claims to have been written by Peter, he was almost certainly not its author.

prove it then.

101G.

 

[101G]

There's some embarrassing stuff in Second Peter. Noah is a "preacher of righteousness" (2:5), Lot is "a just and righteous man" (2:7-8), God plans to burn up the entire earth (3:10), and believers were already making excuses for Jesus' non-return 1900 years ago (3:4-8)."

your interpretation?

101G.

 

[101G]

I'll be back latter get yourself together, and we will discuss Isaiah chapter 53

101G

 

[joelr]

evidence is in what one believe, either by "natural eyes", or "Spirit" ...


101G.

No, if my beliefs can be shown to be wrong they will change. There is no spiritual evidence that is consistant. Hindu say their spirituality says Krishna is always with them, answering prayer and loves them. Christians say it's Jesus. Jewish people say Yahweh is in their heart. Muslims say Allah is real because they can "feel it".
Race supremacist say they know in their heart that they are the best race.
So spiritual evidence is NOT reliable and subject to what people already believe.

Evidence dictates belief. If belief dictates evidence you will believe false things.