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Jesus in India

CynthiaCypher

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I really do not think a xenophobic nationalistic 1st century Galilean went about traipsing with Brahmin gurus or Shaolin monks. I see no commonality between Jesus' own beliefs and with those of either Hinduism or Buddhism.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
The theme of writing four gospels is simply the purpose to manipulate events by the sinful scribes to prove Jesus was a god or a son of god as he became alive from the dead; and that never happened, in my opinion.

He wasn't called the son of God or God because he was resurrected. Resurrection was a common belief for Jews and if you read Paul, the expectation was that Jesus was only the first fruit. As in, he wasn't special in being resurrected. They had an idea of a general resurrection, where Jews in general would be resurrected.

More so, in John we see Lazarus supposedly being resurrected as well, and he is not referred to by either son of God or God. So your logic here just doesn't really work.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
I really do not think a xenophobic nationalistic 1st century Galilean went about traipsing with Brahmin gurus or Shaolin monks. I see no commonality between Jesus' own beliefs and with those of either Hinduism or Buddhism.

There are quite a few similarities between Jesus's own beliefs and those of Buddhism, as well as Hinduism. There is a great book called Living Buddha, Living Christ that look at these similarities. Marcus Borg also has a book on the subject. And even the Dalai Lama wrote a book on Jesus, and he thought there were a number of similarities.

As for Jesus being xenophobic, I don't think so.
 

Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
It is possible, after all isn't it considered an accept fact that Thomas went to India? So if Thomas went to India, then certainly Jesus could have gone to India? There are indeed many parallels between Christianity and Dharmic religious philosophies and practices, which seem to arise from a vacuum and have no historical precedence in the Jewish religion - for example the doctrine of avatarism: Suprme God can incarnate on Earth by projecting a part of him in human form for the purpose of establishing righteous religion. No other religion other than Hindu Vishnavism had such a doctrine; the practice of meditation with a rosary while chanting the holy name is also a Vaishnava practice; contemplative meditation is also a Vaishnava practice.

There are also very clear similarities between the life story of Krishna and Jesus like Krishna was born of divine conception and the local tyrant king killed all the newborn in that time to find Krishna.

Vaishnavism is effectively a personality worshiping religion of Krishna that started centuries after Krishna supposed lifetime. Then later many stories, legends and accounts of Krishna were composed.

There are also clear similarities with Buddhism, like the doctrines of compassion, love and charity, missionary activity to spread the message, and the notion that Jesus went to the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights where he was tempted by Satan and he came back enlightened and started giving sermons, while Buddha mediated under the Bodhi tree for 40 days and 40 nights and came back enlightened and started giving sermons.

The similarities between Krishna and Buddha and Jesus are kind of too strong to ignore. They strongly raise the possibility of there being some kind of cultural intercourse between India and Jesus. This does not necessarily mean Jesus traveled to India, but Hindus and Buddhists may have been present in Jerusalem, and he may have assimilated many of his ideas from there or his later followers may have assimilated those ideas. The fact that the areas near Jesus's home town were Gnostic, suggests Gnostic religion must have been present prior in the region of Jerusalem and influenced later Christianity.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
It is possible, after all isn't it considered an accept fact that Thomas went to India? ......
Yes, there are a number of similarities. However, they don't originate out of a vacuum. Nothing Jesus teaches was really all that unique. If one looks, one can find a source for what Jesus was teaching within the various strains of Judaism during that time.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
There are quite a few similarities between Jesus's own beliefs and those of Buddhism, as well as Hinduism. There is a great book called Living Buddha, Living Christ that look at these similarities. Marcus Borg also has a book on the subject. And even the Dalai Lama wrote a book on Jesus, and he thought there were a number of similarities.

I don't see it. If there are similiarities between Jesus's beliefand Buddhism then there has to be similiarities between Judaism and Buddhism and I don't see it.

As for Jesus being xenophobic, I don't think so.

He got pretty racial with that Canaanite woman. I think he had the same cultural prejudices of any Jew of his day.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
The fact that the areas near Jesus's home town were Gnostic, suggests Gnostic religion must have been present prior in the region of Jerusalem and influenced later Christianity.

I really don't see the similiarities at all expect in maybe the narrative, but not in who Jesus was and his personal beliefs. And what has gnosticism have to do with this? Gnosticism believes in fanning the flames of the spark and inflating one's ego to God-like proportions while Buddhism believes in reducing the ego and snuffing out the spark. They seem to be the opposite to me.
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
I don't see it. If there are similiarities between Jesus's beliefand Buddhism then there has to be similiarities between Judaism and Buddhism and I don't see it.
We are talking about ancient Judaism, not modern Judaism, where there are distinct differences. Also, I did give you resources in order to see the similarities.

Here is a quicker source that I wrote (for a college class), that I already posted on this site: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/125062-buddha-jesus-comments-my-paper-please.html

He got pretty racial with that Canaanite woman. I think he had the same cultural prejudices of any Jew of his day.
You should finish that story though. Because he does begin to change his position. The fact that he would even talk, and then give her a blessing (in a complete turn around from what he was previously saying) suggests that he was growing in compassion to outsiders.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I really do not think a xenophobic nationalistic 1st century Galilean went about traipsing with Brahmin gurus or Shaolin monks. I see no commonality between Jesus' own beliefs and with those of either Hinduism or Buddhism.

Hi CynthiaCypher

But there are similarities in Christian sources and Buddhism sources, I think.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
There are quite a few similarities between Jesus's own beliefs and those of Buddhism, as well as Hinduism. There is a great book called Living Buddha, Living Christ that look at these similarities. Marcus Borg also has a book on the subject. And even the Dalai Lama wrote a book on Jesus, and he thought there were a number of similarities.

As for Jesus being xenophobic, I don't think so.

I agree with you here what I have coloured in Magenta.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I really don't see the similiarities at all expect in maybe the narrative, but not in who Jesus was and his personal beliefs. And what has gnosticism have to do with this? Gnosticism believes in fanning the flames of the spark and inflating one's ego to God-like proportions while Buddhism believes in reducing the ego and snuffing out the spark. They seem to be the opposite to me.

I suggest you to read :

CHAPTER 4-Evidence from books of history

1. SECTION 1-Evidence from Islamic books which contain
a mention of Jesus' journey
2. SECTION 2-Evidence from books on Buddhism
3. SECTION 3-On the evidence from books of history
which show that the coming of Jesus to the Punjab and neighboring territories was inevitable
4. ISRAELITISH TRACES

This is from the book “Jesus in India” written by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908; the Promised Messiah of the end of times

Jesus in India
 

Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
I really don't see the similiarities at all expect in maybe the narrative, but not in who Jesus was and his personal beliefs. And what has gnosticism have to do with this? Gnosticism believes in fanning the flames of the spark and inflating one's ego to God-like proportions while Buddhism believes in reducing the ego and snuffing out the spark. They seem to be the opposite to me.

I thought Gnosticism was also about the eradicating the ego to reveal the kingdom of god within and realize one essential unity with god?
 

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
I thought Gnosticism was also about the eradicating the ego to reveal the kingdom of god within and realize one essential unity with god?

What exactly Gnosticism is, at least in the Christian tradition, is hard to actually nail down. But what you are saying has been associated with Gnosticism.
 
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