Jesus in the Quran makes no sense

[Samael_Khan]

Sunni.

Cool. Good to know.

 

[Shad]

Jesus makes far greater sense in the Qur'an then it does in the NT, lmao. Seriously, you must have a lot to struggle with all that contradiction, not only among four "gospels" but all those epistles and John's Apocalypse. None of it makes any sense. The only thing you can do as a Christian is simplify and dogmatize your doctrine.

The Qur'an makes incredible sense, it says Jesus was only a Prophet and was a wise teacher that was raised. Nothing particularly bad about that, but you're a Christian, so!

Only the rejection of the Trinity part. The Quran lacks details of the NT and does little to explains anything else.

 

[Wasp]

Only the rejection of the Trinity part. The Quran lacks details of the NT and does little to explains anything else.

The NT has a lot of details that are missing from true history. It's good all those irrelevant opinionated musings aren't repeated in the Qur'an. How could they be? It's from God.

 

[SugarOcean]

Is that supposed to relate to terrorism?

WASP= White Anglo Saxon Protestant?
A Muslim would know the references and the answer .

 

[Wasp]

WASP= White Anglo Saxon Protestant?
A Muslim would know the references and the answer .

No, we don't read minds. You should be able to discuss without expecting me to.

 

[SugarOcean]

No, we don't read minds. You should be able to discuss without expecting me to.

One doesn't have to read minds. Muslims know the Qur'an and the Hadith. They also know what Jizya is. They know what Jihad is and the verses that apply .
That you don't tells me you may very well be a WASP and not a Muslim. Your religious affiliation block in your profile is blank.

 

[Wasp]

One doesn't have to read minds. Muslims know the Qur'an and the Hadith. They also know what Jizya is. They know what Jihad is and the verses that apply .
That you don't tells me you may very well be a WASP and not a Muslim. Your religious affiliation block in your profile is blank.

What difference would it make if I was an alien? Your argument shouldn't change. But you are refusing to make a coherent argument. If you don't want to debate it, don't. I don't need it.

 

[SugarOcean]

What difference would it make if I was an alien?

The difference is, you've claimed you're a Muslim.

Your argument shouldn't change. But you are refusing to make a coherent argument. If you don't want to debate it, don't. I don't need it.

A coherent debate necessitates two parties who are aware of the issue under debate. Since you are not aware of the subjects I asked you about earlier there can be no debate because you are not Muslim.

 

[Mudramoksha]

Am I correct?

No, you're just another Protestant stroking himself, typical.
You clearly don't understand the Islamic position very well. I'm not a Muslim though, so I will not be debating you on what they believe. However their position is Coherent, whereas your position is inherent incoherent.
You seriously believe "God" would incarnate as a man? just one? even when he himself says otherwise? and when the early church itself had a billion varying views?
Christianity is a mess.

I call Islam the greatest show on earth!

Better than Christianity in every aspect, that's for sure.

 

[Mudramoksha]

The difference is, you've claimed you're a Muslim.
A coherent debate necessitates two parties who are aware of the issue under debate. Since you are not aware of the subjects I asked you about earlier there can be no debate because you are not Muslim.

You're not a Christian, you're an atheist

 

[Wasp]

The difference is, you've claimed you're a Muslim.

I asked what difference it would make, not what the difference is.

A coherent debate necessitates two parties who are aware of the issue under debate.

To understand the topic is important. Can't really put requirements on how well they should be understood here.

Since you are not aware of the subjects I asked you about earlier

You didn't ask me about anything. I asked you the latest question in response to your comment before that. You never answered me.

there can be no debate because you are not Muslim.

That's too bad. I was looking forward to it.

 

[Mudramoksha]

Only the rejection of the Trinity part. The Quran lacks details of the NT and does little to explains anything else.

The Qur'an is an entirely different form of scripture which requires different analytical methods, in that sense. And no, the Qur'an is not about, to or for Jesus but Jesus is used as an analogous example to Muhammad.
The Qur'an is not a historical record, it's something else, something unique when it comes to scriptural format.

 

[danieldemol]

The Qur'an is not a historical record

Precisely why one cannot use it to disprove the crucifixion of Jesus, which is a historical fact

 

[Wasp]

Precisely why one cannot use it to disprove the crucifixion of Jesus, which is a historical fact

Say the Qur'an is not a historical record doesn't equal saying it is not true.

 

[danieldemol]

Say the Qur'an is not a historical record doesn't equal saying it is not true.

It does equal saying it is not historically true

 

[Wasp]

It does equal saying it is not historically true

No it doesn't.

 

[danieldemol]

The Qur'an is not a historical record

So do you consider the Quran to be historically factual on all matters of history it deals with?

 

[Mudramoksha]

Precisely why one cannot use it to disprove the crucifixion of Jesus, which is a historical fact

No, it's a revelation is what I said in my comment. "word of god" revelation (the only of it's kind too btw).
It's an entirely different thing to a bunch of various people writing a supposed historical record (like the synoptic gospels or the book of acts etc) really long after someone's died.
The Qur'an is an entirely different thing to the New Testament (and Old Testament as well). Different analytical methods are required to engage with the Qur'an.

I don't think any of the New Testament can be regarded as historical from the offset though. Just compare Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - it's a joke.
Jesus is attributed to saying some great things though but I would rather bet my money on the Qur'an being accurate than the NT, for obvious reasons.

 

[Shia Islam]

So basically the Quran says that the Jews wanted to kill Jesus but at the same time they say Jesus only came to confirm the Torah, why would they want to kill him if that's the case? It makes no sense.
What makes less sense though is why would Allah confound people into believing that Jesus had died by replacing him if that would mean that the Gospels accounts are completely true (they couldn't possibly know that Jesus had been replaced by someone who looked just like him) and therefore starting a religion that according to Islam is corrupted but the only one to blame for that corruption would be Allah for confounding people who had no way to know that Jesus hadn't died.

Also Jesus in the Quran is one of the main prophets but he doesn't really acomplish anything. His mission is not clear and Allah knew that his message would get corrupted as soon after people thought he had died.

If I had to bet it seems to me that Muslims wanted to make a hybrid between Judaism and Christianity but didn't know what to say about Jesus so they came up with a story that makes no sense.
Other prophets in Islam like Moses or Muhammed seem to have a clear purpose, Moses was given the law, Muhammad is the seal of all Prophets.
However Jesus is one of the most important ones but his mission in Islam just seems to be to confirm what was already said without really adding anything new, which doesn't explain why would Jews want to kill him and even worse than that he ends up creating a corrupted religion that would become the largest in the world and only Allah is to fault.

As I said, it seems like they wanted to make a hybrid betweek Judaism and Christianity but didn't really know what role give to Jesus.

Hi,
The quran clearly says that the jews have distorted the Torah. So Jesus came to confirm the original Torah not the manipulated Torah the Jews were showing.

This is just a quick reply.

I advise you to read at least the parts of the Quran talking about Jesus and the parts talking about the Jews.
All the best

 

[Shad]

The Qur'an is an entirely different form of scripture which requires different analytical methods, in that sense. And no, the Qur'an is not about, to or for Jesus but Jesus is used as an analogous example to Muhammad.
The Qur'an is not a historical record, it's something else, something unique when it comes to scriptural format.

My point was the Quran has nothing in comparison to the NT on Jesus. It has to borrow from the NT.