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Jesus is God.

I would get a Catholic bible it is the real and only apostolic succession from the Jesus and will have accurate information. But I would not trust info from people who rearrange things to there own sins and desires without the approval of a holy order in succession to Jesus. Also that is only one scrap book from the catholic church that Martin Luther got his hands on and dissected there are other books that explain the opening of doors from only Judah people to gentiles and the holy trinity
 

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
In case you ever were wondering if Jesus ever claimed to be God I found a really in depth website article that might help.

http://www.muslimhope.com/JesusIsGod.htm

There is not a single unequivocal statement in the complete Bible where Jesus p.b.u.h himself said ''I am God or where he said ''Worship me''.

The author's claims are not the correct teachings, and eventually the Bible has been tampered with.

:)
 
I would get a Catholic bible it is the real and only apostolic succession from the Jesus and will have accurate information. But I would not trust info from people who rearrange things to there own sins and desires without the approval of a holy order in succession to Jesus. Also that is only one scrap book from the catholic church that Martin Luther got his hands on and dissected there are other books that explain the opening of doors from only Judah people to gentiles and the holy trinity
So wait, just to be clear, are you denying the fact that Jehovah is God Almighty? If so who do you say it is and which scriptures(s) support your opinion?
 
people use titles because our Lord is not a person like us. His name in itself is holy. people respect the name by not using His name, would you really speak to the Lord the same way you would speak to your buddy u go fishing with.
If Almighty God did not want people to know and use his name then it would have never been in the bible in the first place. Think about it, like really sit there and ponder over this. Deeply reflect on it. Was God Almighty wrong for putting his name in the bible and imperfect humans right for taking it out?
 
I am denying your cut and paste Charles T Russell hand me down book brother. There is protestant and Catholic and before Catholic there was Jewish Jesus falls into both Catholic and Jewish so where does Charles T Russell fall into this besides bootlegging a chopped up bible.
 
I can give you an overview of a bible and how it all plays out there is a big picture. But all you guys do is put this book into relation to your life for your own desires. It is just a scrap book from the catholic church it helps us follow Jesus teachings in his Church. Yes Jesus is God the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit it has been that way for 2000 years. If you are Christian if not then you are protestant to what is taught by real Christians and there is only one that Protests to this teaching.
 
So who do you follow God or Satan? Cause that is what Catholics are taught that there is Desire and there is a empty lonely pain one is love and the way to god and the other is away from God and will make you blind to not recognize him or his people in fact you will begin to hate him and his people.
 

jaybird

Member
If Almighty God did not want people to know and use his name then it would have never been in the bible in the first place. Think about it, like really sit there and ponder over this. Deeply reflect on it. Was God Almighty wrong for putting his name in the bible and imperfect humans right for taking it out?

i never said our Lord is trying to hide His true name.
do you think its proper to drag the true name of the Lord down to our level when you speak His name the same way you would use one of our names? think about that, dwell on it, climb a mountain and meditate on it.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
If Almighty God did not want people to know and use his name then it would have never been in the bible in the first place. Think about it, like really sit there and ponder over this. Deeply reflect on it. Was God Almighty wrong for putting his name in the bible and imperfect humans right for taking it out?

I can see you have a lot of faith in God. I appreciate that.

Mate, in the beginning God created heavens and the earth says Genesis 1:1. It says Elohim.

People have a habit of getting hooked on to one particular word. Actually there is no problem in a name to me, but the fact is, names have a tendency to separate people. And they are used like a personal name to propagate new sectarianism. Make a word top of mind, to be at the tip of the tongue. Later that word becomes something you wait to listen to, it pleases you. I see that as a tactic.

e.g. Hallelujah. Why not Mahalalel?
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
You are absolutely right about God IMO and scriptural verification. But how do you deem that the Parakleetos to be God himself?

I believe this covers it:
John 14:20 In that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
OK, if I say "my father", does that mean that he and I are the same? Doesn't it imply that we are not?

When Jesus said he didn't know when the end of times would occur and that only "the Father" knew, doesn't that imply that he and "the Father" are not one and the same? On the cross, Jesus prays to his "Father", so how is it that we would have God praying to God if they were one and the same?

What I believe you are missing is the theological concept of Jesus being of God versus Jesus being God, and I think it's quite clear that the apostles and authors had in mind the former, not the latter.

I believe you are referring to yourself as a physical person and your father as a physical person and in that context you are correct. However Jesus when He refers to His Father is referring to the Spirit of God with which He is one.

I believe they are not the same. Jesus is God in physical form and the Father is God not in physical form. The oneness is the Spirit of God which is everywhere.

I believe He does it so people will hear it. He says as much in this verse:
John 11:42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the multitude that standeth around I said it, that they may believe that thou didst send me.

I don't believe you are able to read the minds of people long dead.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
If I just saw one scripture in the bible saying Jesus is God Almighty I would believe. I never come across any scripture in any bible translation, because it's not there I don't think. Correct me please and show me if I am wrong somebody.

I don't believe you would believe even if someone were raised from the dead.You would probably call it automatic remission of death.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
I believe this covers it:
John 14:20 In that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

How does that prove the Parakleet is God? All it says is about the Father, Jesus and people, they will all be one with each-other.

You said Parakleet is God.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
How does that prove the Parakleet is God? All it says is about the Father, Jesus and people, they will all be one with each-other.

You said Parakleet is God
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I believe that is what this equates to but perhaps you are having trouble with the Greek word Paracletos which gets translated differently in different verses but here is translated "Comforter."
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever,
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
I believe that is what this equates to but perhaps you are having trouble with the Greek word Paracletos which gets translated differently in different verses but here is translated "Comforter."
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever,

Whatever the translation is, how does this show that the Parakleet is God?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I believe you are referring to yourself as a physical person and your father as a physical person and in that context you are correct. However Jesus when He refers to His Father is referring to the Spirit of God with which He is one.

I believe they are not the same. Jesus is God in physical form and the Father is God not in physical form. The oneness is the Spirit of God which is everywhere.

I believe He does it so people will hear it. He says as much in this verse:
John 11:42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the multitude that standeth around I said it, that they may believe that thou didst send me.

I don't believe you are able to read the minds of people long dead.
Reread this:
John 11:42 "And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the multitude that standeth around I said it, that they may believe that thou didst send me."

Notice the word I underlined. How can they be one and the same when it says "...thou didst send me"? Logically impossible to say that one is the other when it's clear even in the verse you have quoted.

One thing I'll say for the Catholics is at least they realize that the "trinity" is a "mystery", so their position is logically much more rational that most of the fundamentalist Protestants, at least on this matter.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
G-d is present every-where, He is Omnipresent. Jesus was not present everywhere. Therefore,
Jesus is not god, he could never be.
Regards
 

Jabar

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
G-d is present every-where, He is Omnipresent. Jesus was not present everywhere. Therefore,
Jesus is not god, he could never be.
Regards

Brother, i believe God is not Omnipresent. It is a false belief.

:)
 

shava

Active Member
In historical copies of the Bible, Jesus never even insinuates this relationship. He refers to God as his father, but by Christian conception that would be true for every human on the earth. He never says he is God, part of a trinity, or any such nonsense in the old texts. These things are only agreed upon in some way after the First Council of Nicea and that only happens 325 years after Jesus. :)

Past that time, all Bibles were re-written to reflect these notions... In terms of authenticity, on a historical basis, they are just an outright lie. Jesus himself never made any claim to these things, and there is no biblical basis for the assertions except for the heavy editing and butchering of the original texts. So, if antiquity can prove Jesus is not God then any allusion that this is the case is some sort of delusion isn't it? :)

Christians are basically practicing idolatry and placing another God in front of Yahweh, in essence, directly breaking God's word. I can see where this would be a problem for non-Christian faiths who stem from Abrahmic roots.

Question: "Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ever claim to be God?"

Answer:
The Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).

John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.

The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.
 
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