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Jesus is God.

firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
jaybird said:
im not really a hebrew expert i was just going by what the lexicon says. i knew there was a difference, but wouldnt know how to explain the exact details on how they vary.
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Actually, I am no expert in Hebrew. So honestly, I can only speculate based on study. So one day if I become one, I will say it with authority.

But I did meet many experts in Israel. One I got very acquainted called Akiva Alon. According to him Ehye Asher Ehye means I am he. The Septuagint says Ego eimi Ho on. Slightly different but there is no other way to translate it into Greek.

Nevertheless, in the Hebrew understanding it is pure monotheism. YHWH is how we address God personally. They believe its so sacred that it should not be pronounced. Still for them, God is one and its blasphemy to associate anyone or anything with him. To associate Jesus with YHWH is sebellianism heresy.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Jesu disciple said:
'Sabellianism', is merely an extension/expression of the traditional Xian belief, albeit in a manner that is being described as 'heresy', by a certain church. 'Heresy', is not an argument against an concept or adherence, by itself, as it is entirely subjective to the specific churches, //in this context./
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Jewish perspective mate.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Jesu disciple said:
Judaism or rather Rabbinic Judaism, really,, i think you mean. The issue is that Jewish perspective does not inherently involve 'Jesus', in the first place. Remember, that Jesus was modifying the Torah laws, or fixing them, what have you. This is also oppositional to Rabbinic Judaism. Now, it is interesting, to note, however, that modern Judaism is /generally/, probably more similar to Jesus paradigm of law adherence, in many cases, //think Jews not keeping kosher, so forth, but, that is...arbitrary? Or is it? Does Jesus 'win', in this regard? Secular, and one could argue certain branches of Judaism are most likely more similar to Xianity, than ever. There are other examples of a shift towards traditional Xian zeitgeist and customs within the Jewish context, but i don't want to go too off topic, here.

//Anyways, although you may be de facto correct, the idea of Sabellainism 'heresy', is really a Xian church one, firstly
People practicing Judaism, may not even claim accuracy to the NT text, so it's pretty difficult to get ''heresy'', from a text you aren't even reading etc
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Tell a Jew that YHWH and Jesus is equal. Or, tell a Jew that YHWH and Putin is equal.

Nothing to do with Jesus, anyone. Nothing to do with the New Testament.

Out of subject, Jesus was not fixing the Torah laws. Though he says but I say unto you give the other cheek, he says that he did not come to change the law. Not a jot or a tittle.

By Xian, if you are talking of the Chinese origin, I dont know much about it. But thanks for the angle. Always grateful.
 
jaybird

jaybird

Member
firedragon said:
Out of subject, Jesus was not fixing the Torah laws. Though he says but I say unto you give the other cheek, he says that he did not come to change the law. Not a jot or a tittle.

By Xian, if you are talking of the Chinese origin, I dont know much about it. But thanks for the angle. Always grateful.
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i see many Christians today with this concept that Jesus came to change everything and start a new belief system. the Torah was not broke and needing fixing, peope were not following it correctly and teaching it correctly. i think thats why the Essene Jews separated from the mainstream Jews.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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jaybird said:
i see many Christians today with this concept that Jesus came to change everything and start a new belief system. the Torah was not broke and needing fixing, peope were not following it correctly and teaching it correctly. i think thats why the Essene Jews separated from the mainstream Jews.
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I agree with you that Jesus had no intention to start a new religion, he just wanted to reform and fix people on the teachings of Moses or Torah. Therefore, Christianity is unauthorized from Jesus. Please
Regards
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Jesu disciple said:
Tell a atheist, Buddhist, etc, that. What is the relevance in the context of an argument? Usually, when people argue against Xianity in the context of Judaism, it's an indication that they understand neither religion well enough to be doing so. Ironically, many Xians do this, or people calling themselves Christians, in order to present some version/theory, of personal, religious nature. Usually it indicates that the person may not understand how the texts are used /traditionally/, by each religion.
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Okay.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
firedragon said:
Who do you think these two John's were? I would like to know your opinion and the reasoning behind it. Request.
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Two Johns or rather one John writing several Bible books.
Gospel writer John wrote his gospel account besides 1st, 2nd, and 3rd John.
' servant John ' - Revelation 1:1 B is also gospel writer John - Revelation 1:4
Before John wrote his gospel account, John wrote Revelation. John was the last Bible writer.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:
I agree with you that Jesus had no intention to start a new religion, he just wanted to reform and fix people on the teachings of Moses or Torah. Therefore, Christianity is unauthorized from Jesus. Please
Regards
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Gospel writer Luke wrote at Acts of the Apostles 11:26 and Acts of the Apostles 26:28 when Jesus' followers were first called Christians
Also, Bible writer Peter also mentions Jesus' followers being called Christians at 1 Peter 4:16

Those corrupted people could Not be ' fixed ' or ' reformed ' because they were past the point of reform or repenting - Matthew 23:37-38
See also all of Matthew chapter 23 besides Matthew 15:9
Jesus fulfilled the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law contract or covenant for the nation of ancient Israel - Romans 10:4
What stays in effect forever is God's promise to father Abraham that ALL families of Earth will be blessed - Genesis 12:3
and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed - Genesis 22:18
Blessed with the benefits of healing for Earth's nations during Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.
Please notice the return on Earth of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for the healing of Earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
URAVIP2ME said:
Gospel writer Luke wrote at Acts of the Apostles 11:26 and Acts of the Apostles 26:28 when Jesus' followers were first called Christians
Also, Bible writer Peter also mentions Jesus' followers being called Christians at 1 Peter 4:16
Those corrupted people could Not be ' fixed ' or ' reformed ' because they were past the point of reform or repenting - Matthew 23:37-38
See also all of Matthew chapter 23 besides Matthew 15:9
Jesus fulfilled the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law contract or covenant for the nation of ancient Israel - Romans 10:4
What stays in effect forever is God's promise to father Abraham that ALL families of Earth will be blessed - Genesis 12:3
and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed - Genesis 22:18
Blessed with the benefits of healing for Earth's nations during Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.
Please notice the return on Earth of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for the healing of Earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
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Till the event of Crucifixion and after that when he went to Galilee and then to India, Jesus did not leave Judaism. Did he?
He himself did not proclaim Christianity or renounce his commitment to Judaism. That proves my point.Right?Please
Regards
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
URAVIP2ME said:
Two Johns or rather one John writing several Bible books.
Gospel writer John wrote his gospel account besides 1st, 2nd, and 3rd John.
' servant John ' - Revelation 1:1 B is also gospel writer John - Revelation 1:4
Before John wrote his gospel account, John wrote Revelation. John was the last Bible writer.
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So if no one knows who wrote the gospels?
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
paarsurrey said:
Till the event of Crucifixion and after that when he went to Galilee and then to India, Jesus did not leave Judaism. Did he?
He himself did not proclaim Christianity or renounce his commitment to Judaism. That proves my point.Right?Please
Regards
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There is a problem with your view though.

1. We need to understand the purpose of the law.
2. Then we have to understand why what satan did has to do with gods sovereignty.
3. So yes jesus came to fulfill the law, but why?
4. He didn't come to change it, the law was meant for him, for a perfect human being to fulfill.
5. We are incapable of fulfilling the law.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Paul Chavez said:
There is a problem with your view though.
1. We need to understand the purpose of the law.
2. Then we have to understand why what satan did has to do with gods sovereignty.
3. So yes jesus came to fulfill the law, but why?
4. He didn't come to change it, the law was meant for him, for a perfect human being to fulfill.
5. We are incapable of fulfilling the law.
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Just one's fanciful thinking, nothing from the mouth of Jesus.
Regards
 
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firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
In other
Paul Chavez said:
There is a problem with your view though.

1. We need to understand the purpose of the law.
2. Then we have to understand why what satan did has to do with gods sovereignty.
3. So yes jesus came to fulfill the law, but why?
4. He didn't come to change it, the law was meant for him, for a perfect human being to fulfill.
5. We are incapable of fulfilling the law.
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In other words what you say is that though Jesus says one thing, you don't do it because you have your own reasoning.

You know better than Jesus?
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:
Till the event of Crucifixion and after that when he went to Galilee and then to India, Jesus did not leave Judaism. Did he?
He himself did not proclaim Christianity or renounce his commitment to Judaism. That proves my point.Right?Please
Regards
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Jesus set up a new covenant or contract according to Luke 22:28-30

The old Law was fulfilled in Jesus - Romans 10:4

Jesus set up a ' new ' commandment at John 13:34-35 to have self-sacrificing love for others.
Love others more than self.
 
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