Jesus, Liberal or Conservative

[Fool]

The way things work, conservatives become liberal, and liberals adapt new ideas from thin air. Some of those liberal ideas work, others don't, and over time, if they work, they get adapted by conservatives. Jesus was a liberal during his day and age, but his message was adopted by the right-wing because it worked so well. I mean, we can do the "woke" test. Is Jesus part of the LGBT crowd? No. Is Jesus a minority? No. In fact, he established a religion that has become the majority since his death. Conservatives respect institutions of hierarchy, and since Jesus established that hierarchy for himself only, he is valued by many on the right, despite his message of empathy being respected by many on the left.

In short, Jesus was able to find the respect of the left and the right for different, but equal, reasons.

jesus was definitely woke.

he even said to wakeup

 

[Fool]

Conservative. He was an "uphold the law", "not an iota will change" type of guy.

love is a liberating and a binding thing. the law is to love above all in action.


i require mercy, more than sacrifice.

 

[Fool]

The closest Jesus came to advocating for any political policies in the gospel accounts was telling people to pay their taxes.

Any political position you ascribe to him on top of that becomes more of a Rorshach test for you and less of a description of Jesus's actual worldview.

This is besides the fact that the descriptions of Jesus in each gospel account, and as described by Paul, can essentially be treated as separate characters given how much they differ. And they have been treated as separate characters by some historical critiques.

religious sects can be conservative/liberal. the pharisees were considered conservative. the essenes ultra conservative pharisees.

 

[Fool]

I have not come to do away with or lessen the Laws or Prophets sounds very conservative to me.

people can twist all kinds of things into knots.

neither to the left or the right.

i would suspect he was a moderate but considered to be liberal by the pharisees.

 

[Left Coast]

political beliefs aren't disconnected from one's typical belief system in general. unless you have dissassociative disorder.

I agree. But that doesn't change what I said, really.

 

[Fool]

I agree. But that doesn't change what I said, really.

true but I wanted to make sure that folks reading the response understood that belief systems overall aren't exclusively political. they tend to be more so spiritual and often as the case for conservatives, deeply entrenched in their religious beliefs.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I think he was dodging a "gotcha!" question with this reply.

He was great at that.

 

[Valjean]

Hippies were a left-of-center counterculture that rejected conventional, worldly values; social norms, violence and covetousness. They promoted peace, love, freedom and brotherhood. They cared for others, for minorities and nature. They dropped out, and often lived communally, sharing possessions, money, food and housing. They valued virtue over wealth and power

Jesus lived with a small, communal group. Little is known of their lifestyle, but they did share a common purse and rejected wealth, greed, worldly values and violence. They promoted peace, love, brotherhood and selflessness. They advocated dropping out, selling or giving away possessions, to seek virtue, rather than wealth and power.

To me, these sound rather similar.

 

[metis]

Hippies were a left-of-center counterculture that rejected conventional, worldly values; social norms, violence and covetousness. They promoted peace, love, freedom and brotherhood. They cared for others, for minorities and nature. They dropped out, and often lived communally, sharing possessions, money, food and housing. They valued virtue over wealth and power

Jesus lived with a small, communal group. Little is known of their lifestyle, but they did share a common purse and rejected wealth, greed, worldly values and violence. They promoted peace, love, brotherhood and selflessness. They advocated dropping out, selling or giving away possessions, to seek virtue, rather than wealth and power.

To me, these sound rather similar.

Yep, and some of us never outgrew this, thank God.

 

[Ella S.]

religious sects can be conservative/liberal. the pharisees were considered conservative. the essenes ultra conservative pharisees.

I don't think this is relevant or accurate. "Liberal" is not a term used to describe unorthodox and nontraditional religious movements, but instead refers to a specific political ideology. When liberal is contrasted with conservative, it is clearly using "conservative" in the political sense, not in the more general sense of conservative that you're using here. I think that's a conflation of terms.