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Jesus literal son of God, or son of Joseph?

dogsgod

dogsgod

Well-Known Member
fallingblood said:
Why not assume it? There have been many miracle workers during that time. The New Testament even mentions some of them. Also, the fact that Jesus' story was embellished would explain how he supposedly defied death.

Basically, you've made no real argument here. We have Paul, and then the Gospels within a relatively short time of the death of Jesus. We have a noticeable Jesus movement that was established by the time of Paul, and the Gospels. We have one historian mentioning him, with one account referencing his brother. We have what one should expect of this religious leader.

Also, "sure, whatever you say" is not a logical argument.
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Believe what you will.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Hawkins said:
He said before Abraham I AM. And in OT God revealed Himself as "I AM" to Abraham and others.
John 8:58-59
I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
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'I am' is Not the Tetragrammaton. Why are you capitalizing AM instead of the lower case in which it was written?_______

Of course Jesus was before Abraham. According to Colossians 1vs15,16 Jesus as the 'firstborn' of God's heavenly creation had a hand in all creation according to verse 16. That is why the resurrected Jesus referred to himself at Revelation 3v14 as the 'beginning' of the creation by God.
God had No beginning according to Psalm 90v2.
Only God was before the beginning being from everlasting.


Please notice John 19v7 [Matt 27v43] as to why the Jews were angry with Jesus. It was because they believed Jesus ought to die because Jesus made himself the Son of God.
 
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