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jesus miracles outdated

3.14

Well-Known Member
jesus miracles were miracles back in those days but now sience and medicin can match him

jesus was born without a father= we have artivicial insemenation
jesus healed the blind= we have laser eye surgory
jesus cured the cripple= we can make them walk again aswell
jesus parted a river= we have large dikes that part milioens of liters of water
jesus walked on water= we can fly over it
jesus changed water into wine= we can make wine out of almost anything
jesus resurected= we have had alot of people come back from being clinecly dead
jesus made lot of food from little = because of mass production we can make much more out of less

isn't it time he came with miracles version 2.0
 

+Xausted

Well-Known Member
jesus miracles were miracles back in those days but now sience and medicin can match him

jesus was born without a father= we have artivicial insemenation
jesus healed the blind= we have laser eye surgory
jesus cured the cripple= we can make them walk again aswell
jesus parted a river= we have large dikes that part milioens of liters of water
jesus walked on water= we can fly over it
jesus changed water into wine= we can make wine out of almost anything
jesus resurected= we have had alot of people come back from being clinecly dead
jesus made lot of food from little = because of mass production we can make much more out of less

isn't it time he came with miracles version 2.0
we dont need to.
we now have the belief in ufo's, ghosts etc.....thats all the mystical nonsense that a society now needs:D
 

Dunemeister

Well-Known Member
How do our technological marvels make Jesus' miracles less miraculous? Jesus raised someone from the dead by calling his name. Even if we found a technological marvel to reverse death, it still seems that Jesus' act counts as a miracle, and our technological thingamajig doesn't.
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
How do our technological marvels make Jesus' miracles less miraculous? Jesus raised someone from the dead by calling his name. Even if we found a technological marvel to reverse death, it still seems that Jesus' act counts as a miracle, and our technological thingamajig doesn't.
Are you referring to Lazurus? Did Lazurus live forever? That would be a miracle.
 

Ringer

Jar of Clay
jesus miracles were miracles back in those days but now sience and medicin can match him

jesus was born without a father= we have artivicial insemenation
jesus healed the blind= we have laser eye surgory
jesus cured the cripple= we can make them walk again aswell
jesus parted a river= we have large dikes that part milioens of liters of water
jesus walked on water= we can fly over it
jesus changed water into wine= we can make wine out of almost anything
jesus resurected= we have had alot of people come back from being clinecly dead
jesus made lot of food from little = because of mass production we can make much more out of less

isn't it time he came with miracles version 2.0

It's kinda hard for me to take post like this seriously when there are so many spelling errors. I think the fact that Jesus did these things without technology constitutes them as miracles, no?

jesus healed the blind= we have laser eye surgory
Does laser eye surgery cure blindness these days? Maybe through risky, cutting edge technology that is being tested but nothing concrete.

jesus walked on water= we can fly over it
I'd rather walk on it

jesus made lot of food from little = because of mass production we can make much more out of less
And yet so many people are still starving. The fact that Jesus promised us the bread of life so that we will never hunger again is more miraculous than mass production.


jesus parted a river= we have large dikes that part milioens of liters of water
I thought it was Moses?

jesus resurected= we have had alot of people come back from being clinecly dead
Clinically dead for how long?
 

Buttons*

Glass half Panda'd
Though I think most of the examples you post are kind of silly and irrelevant, I think it might be worth mentioning, instead, how many myths from ancient days are so similar to the ones Yeshua supposedly performed.
 

McBell

Unbound
It's kinda hard for me to take post like this seriously when there are so many spelling errors.
Interesting.
So a persons ability to spell is in direct proportion to the validity of their statements?

Seems like an awful easy cop out to me.
 

Ringer

Jar of Clay
Interesting.
So a persons ability to spell is in direct proportion to the validity of their statements?

Seems like an awful easy cop out to me.

Which is why I addressed a few of his statements. Doesn't seem like a cop out to me.
 

crystalonyx

Well-Known Member
I would say it's more accurate to say that the supposed Jesus' miracles never happened. All of them were recreations of miraculous stories told in other preexistent religious cultures.
 

McBell

Unbound
I would say it's more accurate to say that the supposed Jesus' miracles never happened. All of them were recreations of miraculous stories told in other preexistent religious cultures.
This is thus far, by far, the most accurate representation of my opinion.
 

Buttons*

Glass half Panda'd
Though I think most of the examples you post are kind of silly and irrelevant, I think it might be worth mentioning, instead, how many myths from ancient days are so similar to the ones Yeshua supposedly performed.

Or this one, which says the exact same thing :p
 

Ringer

Jar of Clay
All of them were recreations of miraculous stories told in other preexistent religious cultures.

An easy statement to put on the table but with all of these claims that I see around the forums in regards to Christianity incorportating pagan or preexisting religion/myths, I haven't seen much to back these claims up. I'm not saying it's not there but it would be nice to see once in a while. I know you can probably mention Adonis, Dionysus, Osiris but from the little I've looked into this, I haven't been able to find historical evidence that Christianity borrowed from these examples.
 

crystalonyx

Well-Known Member
An easy statement to put on the table but with all of these claims that I see around the forums in regards to Christianity incorportating pagan or preexisting religion/myths, I haven't seen much to back these claims up. I'm not saying it's not there but it would be nice to see once in a while. I know you can probably mention Adonis, Dionysus, Osiris but from the little I've looked into this, I haven't been able to find historical evidence that Christianity borrowed from these examples.

The evidence to support these claims has been posted several times.
 

Ringer

Jar of Clay
The evidence to support these claims has been posted several times.

Not from what I've seen. I've seen things such as....

Osiris was a God that died and resurrected. Jesus was God that died and resurrected. Therefore, Christianity stole that idea from Egyptian theology.

Dionysus, according to mythology, had a miraculous birth, godly father and mortal mother, along with a death and resurrection. Since this is strikingly similar to Christianity, Christianity stole the ideas.

Pretty much sums the claims I've seen but again, haven't seen any support of this from the professional community.
 

Charity

Let's go racing boys !
It's kinda hard for me to take post like this seriously when there are so many spelling errors. I think the fact that Jesus did these things without technology constitutes them as miracles, no?


Does laser eye surgery cure blindness these days? Maybe through risky, cutting edge technology that is being tested but nothing concrete.


I'd rather walk on it


And yet so many people are still starving. The fact that Jesus promised us the bread of life so that we will never hunger again is more miraculous than mass production.



I thought it was Moses?


Clinically dead for how long?


:clap Thanks for standing for what you believe

Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever....

Compared to what we have new today, Jesus accomplished by speaking the word, he didn't have to reply on made made inventions that fail.

Airplanes can crash, Laser surgery can fail, People may be able to make wine out of everything, but I haven't seen them make it out of water yet...

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect that.......but if your going to pursue controversy about the bible at least be knowledgeable enough to know the facts before confronting someone with the information.

I have to give the atheists credit where it is due. Most everyone of them are very intelligent, and knowledgeable and you can tell they know their "stuff" and I respect that... Still a good fight is challenging. :ko:

Miracles of Jesus outdated? No
 

McBell

Unbound
Not from what I've seen. I've seen things such as....

Osiris was a God that died and resurrected. Jesus was God that died and resurrected. Therefore, Christianity stole that idea from Egyptian theology.

Dionysus, according to mythology, had a miraculous birth, godly father and mortal mother, along with a death and resurrection. Since this is strikingly similar to Christianity, Christianity stole the ideas.

Pretty much sums the claims I've seen but again, haven't seen any support of this from the professional community.
Here is a site for you to dismiss:
Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth
 

crystalonyx

Well-Known Member
Not from what I've seen. I've seen things such as....

Osiris was a God that died and resurrected. Jesus was God that died and resurrected. Therefore, Christianity stole that idea from Egyptian theology.

Dionysus, according to mythology, had a miraculous birth, godly father and mortal mother, along with a death and resurrection. Since this is strikingly similar to Christianity, Christianity stole the ideas.

Pretty much sums the claims I've seen but again, haven't seen any support of this from the professional community.

Welcome to Mithraism:

"Mithras had had twelve followers with whom he had shared a last sacramental meal. He had sacrificed himself to redeem mankind. Descending into the underworld, he had conquered death and had risen to life again on the third day. The holy day for this sun god was, of course, Sunday (Christians continued to follow the Jewish Sabbath until the fourth century). His many titles included ‘the Truth,’ ‘the Light,’ and ‘the Good Shepherd.’ For those who worshipped him, invoking the name of Mithras healed the sick and worked miracles. Mithras could dispense mercy and grant immortality; to his devotees he offered hope. By drinking his blood and eating his flesh (by proxy, from a slain bull) they too could conquer death. On a Day of Judgement those already dead would be raised back to life"

Mithraism - Dress Rehearsal for Christianity
 

Ringer

Jar of Clay
Welcome to Mithraism:

"Mithras had had twelve followers with whom he had shared a last sacramental meal. He had sacrificed himself to redeem mankind. Descending into the underworld, he had conquered death and had risen to life again on the third day. The holy day for this sun god was, of course, Sunday (Christians continued to follow the Jewish Sabbath until the fourth century). His many titles included ‘the Truth,’ ‘the Light,’ and ‘the Good Shepherd.’ For those who worshipped him, invoking the name of Mithras healed the sick and worked miracles. Mithras could dispense mercy and grant immortality; to his devotees he offered hope. By drinking his blood and eating his flesh (by proxy, from a slain bull) they too could conquer death. On a Day of Judgement those already dead would be raised back to life"

Mithraism - Dress Rehearsal for Christianity


I'll take a more in-depth look at the site. Here is one site that I found in regards to Mithras a Christianity...

One of the more common claims that Christianity was influenced by paganism involves the ancient Roman cult of Mithras. This might be partly due to the popularity of the best-selling novel, The Da Vinci Code, by fiction writer Dan Brown:

"Nothing in Christianity is original. The pre-Christian god Mithras - called the Son of God and the Light of the World - was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days. By the way, December 25 was also the birthday of Osiris, Adonis, and Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh." - The Da Vinci Code.

As is true with many of the claims that Christianity borrowed from paganism, there are no historical sources to support the allegations:

"Mithraic studies do not find any attribution of the titles 'Son of God' or 'Light of the World,' as Brown claims. There is also no mention of a death-resurrection motif in Mithraic mythology. ... There is not a single story in actual Hindu mythology of Krishna being presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh at his birth." - de-coding Da Vinci: The facts behind the fiction of The Da Vinci Code, by Amy Welborn.

And as for the claims involving Dec. 25, it is important to note that the New Testament does not claim that Jesus was born on Dec. 25, and that the tradition of Christmas on that date is a matter of tradition, not a matter of theology. The pagan celebrations that took place on or near Dec. 25 during ancient times did not change Christian theology. Christian theology, however, did change the nature of the celebrations involving Dec. 25.

The ancient practitioners of the cult of Mithras did not provide us with writings about their beliefs. They did not leave behind a religious text for us to study. Much of what we presume to know about the traditions of Mithras comes from scholarly speculations about artwork found in Mithraeums that were created during the second, third and fourth centuries, after the time of Jesus Christ.

Franz Cumont, a scholar credited with the beginnings of scholarly research into the study of Mithras, paradoxically, and without explanation, claimed that the birth of Mithras was witnessed by shepherds and that Mithras was born before men and animals were created. Compare these two passages from Cumont's The Mysteries of Mithras, which was published in 1903:

• "The tradition ran that the 'Generative Rock,' of which a standing image was worshipped in the temples, had given birth to Mithras, on the banks of a river, under the shade of a sacred tree, and that shepherds alone, ensconced in a neighboring mountain, had witnessed the miracle of his entrance into the world. They had seen him issue forth from the rocky mass, his head adorned with a Phrygian cap, armed with a knife, and carrying a torch that had illuminated the somber depths." - page 132 of an English translation of The Mysteries of Mithras.

• "For although the shepherds were pasturing their flocks when he was born, all these things came to pass before there were men on earth." - page 133 of an English translation of The Mysteries of Mithras.

Given the incompatible accounts involving the birth of Mithras, one might conclude that the myth of his birth changed over time, adopting and adapting elements from Christianity, even though those elements conflicted with the original Mithraic myth. In any event, there is a fourth century AD bas-relief depicting the birth of Mithras that includes figures who appear to be shepherds. But this artwork is too recent to have influenced the New Testament, and not old enough to prevent someone from claiming that it was influenced by the New Testament.

Aside from any debate involving the chastity of the rock from which Mithras is hatched, there is little, if any, opportunity to seriously compare the "virgin" birth of Mithras to the birth of Jesus.
 
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