Jesus' Return before the Final Day?

[Green Kepi]

Referencing Acts 23:11: Does this appear to mean that Jesus "actually" returned in a physical form (and not a vision) and stood beside Paul? If so, that means He did set foot on this earth again prior to His final coming at The End. Please let me hear some comments...I've always thought that He would not come back until "that Day"....

 

[Heneni]

Hi Green!

Do you have references that jesus said he wont return again until the final day?

I believe jesus is on this earth right this moment. But has not been revealed. He is here as a thief. Basically because the final days are here. The stage is set the end is not near, it IS here. Praise the lord! We shall see and behold our lord soon.


God bless you!

Heneni

 

[Green Kepi]

Heneni...thanks for the reply. Granted, "spiritually" the Scriptures say that He is here on earth today; however, in a form that can be seen...it doesn't mention it. It does say that when He returns for the Final Judgment..."every eye will see Him". You and I did not see Him. So...He has not yet returned for the Final time. My wondering is...has He returned in physical form off and on since that day He ascended into Heaven...besides that day He stood beside Paul?

 

[Luminous]

From Jimmy, now called Jacob:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can… I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted fan,
Jim

I believe God’s word is not written, but felt and learned
creation

 

[Heneni]

Heneni...thanks for the reply. Granted, "spiritually" the Scriptures say that He is here on earth today; however, in a form that can be seen...it doesn't mention it. It does say that when He returns for the Final Judgment..."every eye will see Him". You and I did not see Him. So...He has not yet returned for the Final time. My wondering is...has He returned in physical form off and on since that day He ascended into Heaven...besides that day He stood beside Paul?

Hello Green. I basically believe that jesus is here as a thief. Nobody knows a thief is in the house. That doesnt mean of course that there will come a day when everybody will behold him. Thats the day that jesus will be revealed to the world. He wont be the thief, he wont be the meek and mild jesus of the manger. Instead hell be coming with justice, and all the tribes and nations will beat their breasts and lament. They will mostly faint.

Love
Heneni

 

[Green Kepi]

Divine Speer...I have no clue what you are saying. And, Heneni...you sort of lost me too. I don't understand your writings (?). Jesus used an example and said he would come "like" a thief, not come as a thief. Anyone else out there care to respond to my first question?

 

[AK4]

Heneni...thanks for the reply. Granted, "spiritually" the Scriptures say that He is here on earth today; however, in a form that can be seen...it doesn't mention it. It does say that when He returns for the Final Judgment..."every eye will see Him". You and I did not see Him. So...He has not yet returned for the Final time. My wondering is...has He returned in physical form off and on since that day He ascended into Heaven...besides that day He stood beside Paul?

I think you have answered your question here

Joh 20:29 - Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed (is believing)."
Some claim they have seen Him these days in a spiritual body though but all those who claimed they were Him in a physical form, well you know how those ended.

 

[Luminous]

blessed are those who believe Satan without question?

 

[Riverwolf]

Divine Speer...I have no clue what you are saying. And, Heneni...you sort of lost me too. I don't understand your writings (?). Jesus used an example and said he would come "like" a thief, not come as a thief. Anyone else out there care to respond to my first question?

You do understand that different translations will use different words, right?

And there are religions that believe Christ has already come and gone, and the prophecies already fulfilled. In the Baha'i faith, Baha'u'llah was the second coming, and the new kingdom is the Baha'i faith. I suspect there are others who have similar second comings.

And let's not forget some people believe that the Apocalypse of John is null because it was supposed to happen within the same generation that it was written. It also didn't make it into the canon. (side note: the apocalyptic work that was actually being seriously considered for the canon was that of Peter; not the coptic one, the other one)

 

[Riverwolf]

Hello Green. I basically believe that jesus is here as a thief. Nobody knows a thief is in the house. That doesnt mean of course that there will come a day when everybody will behold him. Thats the day that jesus will be revealed to the world. He wont be the thief, he wont be the meek and mild jesus of the manger. Instead hell be coming with justice, and all the tribes and nations will beat their breasts and lament. They will mostly faint.

Love
Heneni

I've always wondered...

Will Jesus know who he is?

 

[Dunemeister]

Referencing Acts 23:11: Does this appear to mean that Jesus "actually" returned in a physical form (and not a vision) and stood beside Paul? If so, that means He did set foot on this earth again prior to His final coming at The End. Please let me hear some comments...I've always thought that He would not come back until "that Day"....

The "return" or "coming back" of Jesus involves the final judgment. Thus it's possible for Jesus to appear in a multitude of ways before that time. There are stories throughout church history of Jesus appearing here and there, and there's no reason to think that these "appearances" constitute his "coming back."

 

[Muffled]

Referencing Acts 23:11: Does this appear to mean that Jesus "actually" returned in a physical form (and not a vision) and stood beside Paul? If so, that means He did set foot on this earth again prior to His final coming at The End. Please let me hear some comments...I've always thought that He would not come back until "that Day"....

I am not sure what the Greek would say but in English to stand by can have two meanings: 1. To physically stand alongside or 2. to support. I blelieve it is the latter meaning intended in verse 23 until someone can provide the Greek to resolve this.

 

[Luminous]

i guess you can judge "God's word" however you wish. because in the end, it is clear to all that it is only man's words.

 

[AK4]

Originally Posted by Green Kepi
Referencing Acts 23:11: Does this appear to mean that Jesus "actually" returned in a physical form (and not a vision) and stood beside Paul? If so, that means He did set foot on this earth again prior to His final coming at The End. Please let me hear some comments...I've always thought that He would not come back until "that Day"....

23:11 And the night following the Lord stood by him, and said, Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome
The word stood in that verse , ephistemi, as defined in vines NT dict has this

4ephistemi (Verb)

(epi, "upon," and No. 1), used intransitively, denotes "to stand upon or by, be present," Lu. 2:9 and Ac. 12:7, "stood by," RV (AV, "came upon"); Lu. 4:39, "stood over;" Lu. 24:4; Ac. 23:11, "stood by;" Ac. 10:17, "stood;" Ac. 22:13, "standing by (me)," RV; so Ac. 22:20, AV and RV. See ASSAULT, COME, No. 27, HAND (AT), B Note (2), INSTANT, PRESENT.

So i think the question would be is this literal or spiritually--like in his mind

 

[Luminous]

like in his mind

so he was crazy.

 

[AK4]

so he was crazy.

Lol. If the revelations God gave Paul was crazy, i wouldnt mind being crazy too.

 

[crystalonyx]

Referencing Acts 23:11: Does this appear to mean that Jesus "actually" returned in a physical form (and not a vision) and stood beside Paul? If so, that means He did set foot on this earth again prior to His final coming at The End. Please let me hear some comments...I've always thought that He would not come back until "that Day"....

End of what?

 

[Luminous]

Lol. If the revelations God gave Paul was crazy, i wouldnt mind being crazy too.

i would much rather be nice AND sane.

 

[Luminous]

End of what?

Yeah, 'the Messiah' is only gonna rule for a thousand years, then its ME!

 

[Godslove]

Hi Green!

Do you have references that jesus said he wont return again until the final day?

I believe jesus is on this earth right this moment. But has not been revealed. He is here as a thief. Basically because the final days are here. The stage is set the end is not near, it IS here. Praise the lord! We shall see and behold our lord soon.


God bless you!

Heneni

When Jesus will come after the destruction of the wicked in the second coming. All will see him descend from heaven in a cloud so that all will know the truth. For there are many that deceive others who say, that they are the Christ or that he has already come and that he is in a place. This is Evil, that say such thing. For they are they that shell be cast into the pit of hell and are deceivers and liar’s. so when the time comes for the second coming all will see with there own eye’s Amen.