Interesting comparison. They have one thing in common. The leaders of the LSD church and the leaders of the LDS church both hear voices from people who aren't there.
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Jesus reveals ban on LGBTs to LDS elder apostle Russell M. Nelson
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Skwim
Veteran Member
Sorry, but your characterization of my statement doesn't fly. In fact, it's pretty lame. And, "epidemic of sin"? C'mon, you can do better than this. Can't you?
Yet you cavalierly dismiss the homosexuals' struggle with their so-called sin as, "We all struggle with sin." Implying their "sin" is just an inconsequential "other," which you don't have time to address. (Although we both know why you're so eager to dismiss it. Don't we.)
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Oh well. I certainly won't cry or shed a tear over a religion that digs its own grave, builds its own coffin, and see its own way off to dying off. That is unless "god changes his mind," which is something he apparently does in the Mormon Church, given their past views of race restrictions.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
You were the one who was trying to trivialize sin by claiming that it being "common" meant it should be beneath our concern.
AIDS is "common" in Africa. Does that mean it should be beneath our concern?
Equating sin to an epidemic is appropriate because it can be found everywhere and it is very contagious.
You were the one who was trying to claim that very few people today were struggling with their homosexuality, not me.
Explaining that all people sin helps those who struggle with same-sex attraction because they realize that there is nothing "wrong" with them. They don't suffer from some incurable disease or mental disorder.
Everyone is led off the path from time to time and everyone can always find their way back by relying on the Lord Jesus Christ.
They are not alone. They are not isolated. We want them to come to Church. We want them to overcome their sins and be happy.
This makes no sense.
The only reason this thread exists is because the LDS Church took the time to directly address this issue.
How are the leaders of the LDS Church "dismissing" anything when they announce to the world how the Church is going to act on this issue?
You are not making any sense.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
All you did was express your opinion.
Any "point" you had, ironic or no, proved nothing other than that you have an opinion.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Thank you for sharing your opinion.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
For starters, everyone knew that the racial Priesthood ban was temporary.
Men of all races could participate in saving ordinances and hold the Priesthood before the martyrdom of Joseph Smith. After that, the Lord commanded that the ban be set in place for some reason until He decided it should be lifted.
The Church always knew and recognized that the ban would one day be lifted. The leaders of the Church were just waiting until they got the go-ahead.
Secondly, I don't understand how the LDS Church enforcing their doctrine upon people who claim to be adherents of their faith (yet live contrary to it) somehow means the Church is "[digging] its own grave", "[building] its own coffin" or "dying off".
The world has known the Church's views and stance on practicing homosexuality since its inception, so how does continuing to live up to their standards make any difference for the Church or the world today?
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Thank you for sharing your opinion.
That is tooooo funny....LOL !
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's the fact that society is leaving such things behind. Society is changing, and those that don't catch up will be left behind in the past. The LDS church isn't exactly a big one, and adhering to such views only serve to anchor them to the past. Each new generation is increasingly accepting of homosexuals, and it just may even be a total non-issue with the post-Millinial generations. Those who oppose homosexuality are largely and mostly a dying breed.
blue taylor
Active Member
Jesus, in his own words, never condemns homosexuality. Why would he reveal to a 91 year old senile man, from a religion that believes the Native American's are a remnant from a lost tribe of Jews (proven untrue by DNA samples) that all of a sudden he changed his mind?
I love this. I think this is very polite code for go **** yourself.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Prestor John and I (both Mormons) are on opposite sides of this issue. I'm trying to stay out of the debate for one reason, and that's that I don't to end up having the two of us say things to one another that we'd both probably regret. I do want to respond to your post though, just to clear up two statements you made which are simply false.
1. Elder Russell Nelson is no more senile than he was at age 40, when he was an internationally renowned cardiothoracic surgeon. You really shouldn't assume that a person is "senile" just because he is in his nineties or believes differently than you do.
2. Mormonism doesn't teach that Native Americans are a remnant from a lost tribe of Jews. We believe that perhaps two dozen people of Hebrew descent migrated to the American continent roughly 2600 years ago. They were hardly part of a "lost tribe" and they intermarried extensively with the thousands of people who were already here, most having come over the Bering Strait.
It would really make you look a lot more intelligent if you didn't just throw in random negative statements that are inaccurate. Make your point based on facts, not opinions.
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blue taylor
Active Member
It's a very polite code for "someone else tells me what I should believe" and then - go **** yourself.I love this. I think this is very polite code for go **** yourself.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Really? I often say that to people. I'll have to watch myself in the future.I love this. I think this is very polite code for go **** yourself.
Depends on what you really mean to say. It is all in the context.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
The thing is, God doesn't change His mind, but human beings do. Personally, I find it reassuring to know that they do.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Sometimes, when I come to the conclusion that further dialogue with someone will likely be unproductive, but don't want the person to think I'm just ignoring him, that's what I'll say.Depends on what you really mean to say. It is all in the context.
blue taylor
Active Member
There is absolutely, positively no historical evidence that any Hebrews ever came to the American continent. There is absolutely no historical evidence that anything in the Book Of Mormon is true. You forgot this "Jesus, in his own words, never condemns homosexuality". And there is absolutely no evidence that Russell is not senile.