Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

[rational experiences]

You and I both know we must accept the word of God, but what does the word "WATER" refer to in (Eph.5:26)?

It's the word of God which brings the word "WATER" to us.

Yes it does....words explain functions as expressed by human being males who first gave names to all conditions natural for and on behalf of the sciences before they built a machine to force change natural.

The name water was given an evaluated word.

The status, says water, the blood of our life was given to the ground and the ground is GOD. Round, your circle pi and phi O calculations for converting God the body of. G and round. The reason you gave the name or word to the body of God the st one...ground.

Water was therefore named relative to the presence of God as said. Relative meaning what it does, what we are related to God and water, was brought to us.

You remove SIN of the stone, and water is left sitting in that hole. Which is obvious to conclude as a bio life how important the natural order of water to God is adhered...for the flooded Earth water mass is what saved God the stone planet.

 

[Nova2216]

The water of the word is the cleansing power that saves our soul - it is renewing the mind and thus cleansing our wrinkles - as Jesus said "Now ye are clean through my word" - not baptism of which Peter was never baptized.

Does (Heb. 10:22) only refer to the word of God (not water baptism)?


Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

 

[Kenny]

Does (Heb. 10:22) only refer to the word of God (not water baptism)?


Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

and our bodies washed with pure water;
not baptismal water, but the grace of the Spirit, which is often compared to water, in Scripture: the body, as well as soul, needs washing, and renewing; internal grace influences outward, actions, which adorn religion, and without which bodies cannot be presented holy to God.

John Gill

Hebrews 10:22 - Commentary & Verse Meaning - Bible

A material and natural agent cannot produce a spiritual result.

And Paul and Peter were never baptized and your body is still cursed since it is made out of cursed dirt.

 

[rational experiences]

and our bodies washed with pure water;
not baptismal water, but the grace of the Spirit, which is often compared to water, in Scripture: the body, as well as soul, needs washing, and renewing; internal grace influences outward, actions, which adorn religion, and without which bodies cannot be presented holy to God.

John Gill

Hebrews 10:22 - Commentary & Verse Meaning - Bible

A material and natural agent cannot produce a spiritual result.

And Paul and Peter were never baptized.

Science thinks that reading biblical quotes is going to give them some idea about how God in its Sun expansion, near core combustion history will today somehow be known to them....seeing the origin of their science son sin, the scientist/brotherhood tried to equate a formula to have God removed by the pyramid theme.

And thought it could confer that reality....removal of the planet.

But as the Sun, as the Satanic angel that rebelled could not destroy our Earth God, you certainly cannot achieve it. The water flooded Earth theme, stated, water, and its mass pressure sealed God from core explosion.

So you would wonder why the science male today would still be researching and trying to seek information about Planet Earth's history of causes versus the Sun irradiation of it.....in reality. For what reason do you claim you are not theorising God and yet then claim God is a particle?

 

[Kenny]

For what reason do you claim you are not theorising God and yet then claim God is a particle?

Can you quote where I said that?

 

[Nova2216]

and our bodies washed with pure water;
not baptismal water, but the grace of the Spirit, which is often compared to water, in Scripture: the body, as well as soul, needs washing, and renewing; internal grace influences outward, actions, which adorn religion, and without which bodies cannot be presented holy to God.

John Gill

Hebrews 10:22 - Commentary & Verse Meaning - Bible

A material and natural agent cannot produce a spiritual result.

And Paul and Peter were never baptized and your body is still cursed since it is made out of cursed dirt.

Is Mr. John Gill a Greek Scholar?

 

[Kenny]

Is Mr. John Gill a Greek Scholar?

yes - Learned greek at the age of 11 and knew Latin too.

 

[Nova2216]

Would Mr. John Gill say that (1Peter 3:20,21) is True?

...Baptism doth now save us...


1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us

 

[Kenny]

Would Mr. John Gill say that (1Peter 3:20,21) is True?

...Baptism doth now save us...


1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us

First of all, John Gill WAS a baptist yet he said of this verse:


"for it has no causal influence on, nor is it essential to salvation. Christ only is the cause and author of eternal salvation;" emphasis mine.

Although it is a commandment for "the ark, and deliverance by it, as it was a type of Christ, and salvation by him, so it was a figure of baptism, and baptism was the antitype of that; or there is something in these which correspond, and answer to, and bear a resemblance to each other"

Remember, baptism is an outward expression of salvation that happened within. A picture of something that had already transpired within and before baptism. A baptism into Christ by the blood that he shed.

1 Peter 3:21 - Commentary & Verse Meaning - Bible

 

[Nova2216]

and our bodies washed with pure water;
not baptismal water, but the grace of the Spirit, which is often compared to water, in Scripture: the body, as well as soul, needs washing, and renewing; internal grace influences outward, actions, which adorn religion, and without which bodies cannot be presented holy to God.

John Gill

Hebrews 10:22 - Commentary & Verse Meaning - Bible

A material and natural agent cannot produce a spiritual result.

And Paul and Peter were never baptized and your body is still cursed since it is made out of cursed dirt.

* It seems you and Mr. John Gill claim Paul and Peter was not baptized.

We read of Paul and his conversion in (Acts 9/22/26).

Notice what (Acts 22:16) teaches.

arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, (Acts 22:16)

Paul was baptized according to (Acts 22:16).


You better go and tell Mr. John Gill this information.


Can you prove Peter was not baptized?

Can you prove the thief on the cross was not baptized?


(Mt. 3) ...and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan, ... And were baptized of him





Thanks

 

[Nova2216]

First of all, John Gill WAS a baptist yet he said of this verse:


"for it has no causal influence on, nor is it essential to salvation. Christ only is the cause and author of eternal salvation;" emphasis mine.

Although it is a commandment for "the ark, and deliverance by it, as it was a type of Christ, and salvation by him, so it was a figure of baptism, and baptism was the antitype of that; or there is something in these which correspond, and answer to, and bear a resemblance to each other"

Remember, baptism is an outward expression of salvation that happened within. A picture of something that had already transpired within and before baptism. A baptism into Christ by the blood that he shed.

1 Peter 3:21 - Commentary & Verse Meaning - Bible

Ken S -"baptism is an outward expression of salvation that happened within. A picture of something that had already transpired within and before baptism."


Me - Can you show me where the Lord said those words?

 

[Nova2216]

Let us try this again.



* Would you and Mr. John Gill say that (1Peter 3:20,21) is True?

...Baptism doth now save us...


1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...



Thanks

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Ken S -"baptism is an outward expression of salvation that happened within. A picture of something that had already transpired within and before baptism."


Me - Can you show me where the Lord said those words?

(1 Peter 3:20-21) says it. "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also save us...the answer of a good conscience toward God...."

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Kenny]

Ken S -"baptism is an outward expression of salvation that happened within. A picture of something that had already transpired within and before baptism."


Me - Can you show me where the Lord said those words?

Notice that if scriptures don't match what you say, you throw out and just hold onto those scriptures that do match what you say...

In other words, the strainer is your belief system. You throw the word of God into the strainer of your belief system, keep the word of God that matches your belief system and throw out the word of God that doesn't match your belief system.

Please note:

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

We are baptized into one body, not by the water but by the Spirit.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Notice again... it isn't faith in the water but faith in his blood for the remission of sins.

Matt 26:
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

No water. The blood - that washes away sin. The bread - the word of God. - They were clean by the washing of the water by the word

 

[Nova2216]

(1 Peter 3:20-21) says it. "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also save us...the answer of a good conscience toward God...."

Good-Ole-Rebel

Are you saying baptism is a part of the salvation process?

 

[Kenny]

(1 Peter 3:20-21) says it. "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also save us...the answer of a good conscience toward God...."

Good-Ole-Rebel

Very good... emphasis mine.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Are you saying baptism is a part of the salvation process?

Of course. (1 Peter 3:20-21) says so.

Your understanding of 'salvation' is lacking however. I explained it in an earlier post but you ignored it.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[e.r.m.]

First of all, John Gill WAS a baptist yet he said of this verse:


"for it has no causal influence on, nor is it essential to salvation. Christ only is the cause and author of eternal salvation;" emphasis mine.

Although it is a commandment for "the ark, and deliverance by it, as it was a type of Christ, and salvation by him, so it was a figure of baptism, and baptism was the antitype of that; or there is something in these which correspond, and answer to, and bear a resemblance to each other"

You can't escape that 1 Peter 3:21 also says that baptism now also saves you.

Remember, baptism is an outward expression of salvation that happened within. A picture of something that had already transpired within and before baptism. A baptism into Christ by the blood that he shed.

1 Peter 3:21 - Commentary & Verse Meaning - Bible

In order to remember this, it would first have to be stated -in the Bible. What do you mean, "remember"?

This is probably the single greatest apostasy from the "by grace alone, through faith alone" movement. A bunch of people getting together considering the above description a foregone conclusion and teaching it to the masses, knowing all the while that they can neither defend it nor find it in the Bible, their only source of authority for this standard on baptism being "just because I say so".

The maintenance of this teaching depends on people not insisting to know where it is in the Bible, so it is shrouded in incredible linguistic gymnastics when presented, to get people to think it's not necessary to ask, such as is done in this video
Not a single verse for the central purpose of baptism as he described it, but after his compelling argument and all the beautiful music and imagery, why ask for Biblical reference for that description of baptism?

 

[Nova2216]

Notice that if scriptures don't match what you say, you throw out and just hold onto those scriptures that do match what you say...

In other words, the strainer is your belief system. You throw the word of God into the strainer of your belief system, keep the word of God that matches your belief system and throw out the word of God that doesn't match your belief system.

Please note:

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

We are baptized into one body, not by the water but by the Spirit.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Notice again... it isn't faith in the water but faith in his blood for the remission of sins.

Matt 26:
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

No water. The blood - that washes away sin. The bread - the word of God. - They were clean by the washing of the water by the word

* As usual people respond to what they think I believe and teach rather than to what I post. We cannot ever get on the same page until we try to understand the other persons position.

I try my best to do this and I urge you to do the same for me.

I have said this before and I will say it once again. I believe it is the blood of Jesus that washed away Paul's sins in the watery grave of baptism (Acts 22:16). The text clearly bears this out.

I do not know any member of the church of Christ who claims water baptism alone washes away sins. The bible does not teach such a thing. So please do not charge me with holding that position.


Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,


Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

This is what I teach.


The question is not what washes away our sins but rather when does the blood wash away our sins.

(Col. 2:12) answers this question.

Col. 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Notice one is buried into and raised up out of something. This is a water burial. If this is refering to Jesus then one is buried in Jesus and then raised up out of him.


Each and every conversion in the NT mentions water baptism.

There is only one baptism it can be referring to according to (Eph. 4:5).

Eph. 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

So which baptism do you choose?

#1. Water baptism
#2. Baptism of the Holy Spirit

It can only be one according to (Eph. 4:5).


Thanks

 

[Nova2216]

Of course. (1 Peter 3:20-21) says so.

Your understanding of 'salvation' is lacking however. I explained it in an earlier post but you ignored it.

Good-Ole-Rebel

* So if baptism is a part of the salvation process without it one cannot be saved.

Please tell me what kind of baptism was being discussed in (Acts 8:26-40)?

In (Acts 8:5,12,13) Christ was preached and the people went to the water to be baptized.

WHY?

Belief + Baptism (in water) = Saved (Mark 16:16)

(Mt 28:18-20) -... teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: