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Jesus.. Son of God???
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Jesus the Biological son of Joseph the son of Heli, "Heli being the Greek adaptation of the Hebrew "Eli the high priest" and Heli was also the Father of Mary the mother of Jesus, Just as the parents of Isaac, who is a prototype of Jesus, were both sired by the one Father, Jesus became the Son of our indwelling Father, when he emerged from the baptismal waters and was filled with the spirit of the Lord that descended upon him in the form of a dove, and a voice from heaven was heard to say, "You are my beloved in whom I am pleased, Today I have become your father, see the more ancient authorities of Luke 3: 22,
Hebrew 5: 5-10; In his life on earth Jesus made his prayers and requests with loud cries and tears to God who could save him fron death, and because he was humble and devoted he was heard, even though he was an Israelite and therefore A son of God (Psalms 82: 6; in referrence to the Israelites, 'You are gods,' I said; 'all of you are sons of the most high') he learned through suffering to be obedient and do and say only what he was commanded, in order that the Lord might reveal himself to the world through his obedient servant Jesus.
When he was finally made perfect he became the source to the eternal salvation offered by the Lord our saviour, and it was then that God declared him to be high priest in the line of succession to Melchizedek. Jesus did not take upon himself the honour of High priest, Instead, after he had become prefect God declared him to be high priest with these words as he rose from the baptismal waters, "You are my Son, today I have become your Father." So there you have it Love4All.
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I am very thankful for the reply..
What you say is that Jesus was not born of Virgin Mary?? I thought that was established truth that Jesus was born without a father.
By your answer , Jesus seems to be just like a common prophet. Like Moses and Joseph. Not at all what I have usually heard about Jesus from Christians.
Is this the common Christian belief??
Cheers..
What you say is that Jesus was not born of Virgin Mary?? I thought that was established truth that Jesus was born without a father.
By your answer , Jesus seems to be just like a common prophet. Like Moses and Joseph. Not at all what I have usually heard about Jesus from Christians.
Is this the common Christian belief??
Cheers..
Jesus was not born of a virgin which can be scripturally verified, he was born of a human Father which is again to found in scripture, but He was not a common prophet, he was the first fruits to be redeemed from the body of man, the first of many brothers who are gathered to Jesus who is the cornerstone to the new temple of the Most high on earth, and that new species, which will dwell on earth among mankind and gain dominion over all life forms which had preceded it, is currently being created in the invisible dimension that co-exists in the physical three dimensional world, which new creation in the ever evolving mind that is God, will supersede the current tent of tabernacle of God which is the body of mankind in whose inner most sanctuary our ancestral Father now dwells, for the kingdom of God is within you.
Is this the common christian belief? No it’s not, for the Jesus that was preached by the apostles is a complete different Jesus than is taught by the universal church, the apostles including Paul warned that deceivers would creep in and preach a different Jesus, as seen in the first and second letters of John where it is said in !st John 4:1-3; “My dear friends, do not believe everyone who claim to have the spirit (The Word of God), but test them to find out if the teaching they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere. This is how you will be able to know whether it is God’s words: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus Christ came as a human being has the words that come from God. But anyone who denies this about Jesus does not have the spirit/teaching from God. The spirit he has is from the anti-christ; you heard that it would come (It was Prophesied) and now it is in the world already.”
Then again in the second letter of John verse 7; “Many deceivers have gone out over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus Christ came as a human being, Such a person is a deceiver and an enemy of Christ, etc.” Although Matthew and Luke speak of the physical birth of Jesus and luke mentions his human parents, Mark and John ignore his physical birth as totally irrelevant to the story of the Son Of God and begin their gospels with the spiritual birth of the chosen heir of the Lord at the baptism of Jesus. I’m sure that it will not be too difficult for you to find a teaching that has been spread throughout the entire world which does not deny that Jesus is the Christ, but refuses to acknowledge that he was a normal human being who becomes a god, but rather, they teach that he was an eternal God who became a human being.
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Heneni
Miss Independent
Arkholt
Non-vessel
They're not any beliefs I've ever heard of before, at least...
If you want evidence from the Bible... well, I can't quote chapter and verse, but I seem to recall that he referred to God as his Father several times, and referred to himself as the Son of God at least once. Am I mistaken?
If you want evidence from the Bible... well, I can't quote chapter and verse, but I seem to recall that he referred to God as his Father several times, and referred to himself as the Son of God at least once. Am I mistaken?
Psalms 82: 6; 'You are gods,' I said, 'all of you as sons of the most high'.
Yes, God is the Father of Jesus, but he is also our Father and saviour who rose our brother Jesus from death as the first fruits, the first of many brother who are united to Jesus and who our Father will raise up also. That's why every Christian has prayed, "Our Father who are in heaven etc."
Pauls first letter to timothy 1:1; From Paul an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of God our saviour and Christ Jesus our hope.
Acts 17: 31; For He (The God of our ancestors) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a man he has chosen. he has given proof of this to everyone by raising that man from death.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Without accusation I wonder if you already know the verses that will be quoted, but you sit back waiting with replies. So without accusing, I will just ask. Is this the case?
Regardless I will quote a few.
John ch 1
John ch 3
John ch 5
john ch 9
Hebrew ch 6
These are just a few that refer to him as the Son of God.
HI all..
Well im confused now.. Confused not because I don't understand your beliefs but because of the reason that everyone who has replied has a different belief but everyone calls himself Christian..
@S-word
Dear friend, by your reply I got a feeling that you are waiting for a prophet that proclaims that Jesus was a man and not a God. Is this the case??
Moreover Whats the difference between High Priest and Prophet??
Can you support you theory of High Priest with gospel??
@itwillend
S-word has quoted this verse. This negates your theory that Jesus was God. It says you are gods....What do you say??
I thought Christians had a common belief regarding Jesus.
Well im confused now.. Confused not because I don't understand your beliefs but because of the reason that everyone who has replied has a different belief but everyone calls himself Christian..
@S-word
Dear friend, by your reply I got a feeling that you are waiting for a prophet that proclaims that Jesus was a man and not a God. Is this the case??
Moreover Whats the difference between High Priest and Prophet??
Can you support you theory of High Priest with gospel??
@itwillend
S-word has quoted this verse. This negates your theory that Jesus was God. It says you are gods....What do you say??
I thought Christians had a common belief regarding Jesus.
[quote=Love4All;1632396]HI all..
Well im confused now.. Confused not because I don't understand your beliefs but because of the reason that everyone who has replied has a different belief but everyone calls himself Christian..
@S-word
Dear friend, by your reply I got a feeling that you are waiting for a prophet that proclaims that Jesus was a man and not a God. Is this the case??
Moreover Whats the difference between High Priest and Prophet??
Can you support you theory of High Priest with gospel??
@itwillend
S-word has quoted this verse. This negates your theory that Jesus was God. It says you are gods....What do you say??
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I thought Christians had a common belief regarding Jesus.[/quote]
If I'm waiting for anyone, it's Elijah the prophet of Fire who is Like Enoch of the preflood world who had been in the valley of man for 3,000 years before being reborn on earth in the body of the man Jesus. Elijah, who is the only person from the post flood body of man who was carried up to Enoch without experiencing the physical death Has been in the valley of man for almost 3,000 years also, and is soon to be reborn on earth in the body of the heir that he will choose.
Malachi 4: 5; "But before the great and terrible day of the Lord (The seventh period of one thousand years from the day that Adam ate of the forbidden tree and died in that day at the age of 930.) I will send you the prophet Elijah. Malachi 3: 1; "I will send my messenger to prepare the way for me. Then the Lord you are looking for will suddenly come to his Temple, (chosen heir). The messenger you long to see will come and proclaim my covenant." But who will be able to endure the day when he comes? Who will be able to survive when he appears?
Unlike the Greek language, the Hebrew has a specific word for 'Virgin' Which Isaiah does not use in his famous prophecy and instead uses the Hebrew "Bethulah" which means "Concealment: Unmarried female." In transcribing the words of the prophet Isaiah, that an “unmarried female would conceive and bear a child,” into Greek, which unlike the Hebrew language, does not have a specific term for ‘virgin,’ the authors of the Septuagint and Matthew were forced to use the Greek word ‘Parthenos,’ which carries a basic meaning of ‘girl,’ and denotes ‘virgin’ only by implication. ‘Parthenos,’ was often used in reference to non-virgins who had never been married. Homer uses it, and Homer was the standard textbook for learning Greek all throughout antiquity, so any writer of Greek, including Matthew, who transcribed Isaiah’s words, (An unmarried woman would conceive etc) to the best of his ability, did not implying in any way that the woman was a virgin when forced to use the Greek 'parthentos,' being well aware of this words versatile and indefinite meaning.
The first time that “Virgin’ appears in any translation of the Bible, in reference to the mother of Jesus is when it was translated to Latin.
The 5th century Latin Bible ‘The Vulgate,’ was due mainly to the effort of Jerome who was commissioned to make a revision of the books that had already been translated to Latin by in most cases, persons unknown, and with those books translated by Jerome himself, which revision was completed in 405 A.D. became the official bible of the universal church that had been unified by its unorthodox champion, ‘King Constantine,’ who had his father Constantius deified and was accorded the same honour himself after his death.
Docetism, the concept that Jesus existed as a spirit rather than a human being, which had become prevalent in the evolving Christian movement and was the teaching of the anti-christ as warned by John, in 1st John 4: 1-3, and 2nd John verses 7 to 11; by the second century had theoretically been stamped out in Alexandria.
Nevertheless they still held to the view that Jesus had to have been too much of a God to have had the normal needs of we mere human beings, such as eating, drinking and excretion etc, and in the second century A.D., Clement the bishop of Alexandria wrote this, “It would be ridiculous to imagine that the body of the Redeemer, in order to exist, had the usual needs of man. He only took food and ate it in order that we should not teach about him in a Docetic fashion.”
Like most of those who are deceived by the teachings of the anti-christ which refuses to acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being, he ignored the truth of scripture that Jesus must have been suffering the extreme pangs of hunger when Satan tried to tempt him into turning stones into bread. Or otherwise, He, 'Clement' saw Satan as some sort of an idiot trying to tempt a god who did not nned food, to turns stones into bread.
It was around Alexandria of Upper Egypt where the writings of the many Gnostic groups who believed they were in possession of some secret knowledge, were found. But those writings, among which are ‘an Apocalypse of Peter, an ‘Apocalypse of Paul,’ ‘a Secret Book of James,’ and ‘a Letter of Peter to Philip,’ although claiming apostolic authority, were obviously apocryphal and have been judged by most scholars as having been written in the 4th century A.D.
And it was in the 4th century, that King Constantine, sick to the gut of the abuse that was being flung at each other by the many different evolving groups of Christianity, Constantine himself, in 325 A.D., decided to call together, all the Christian leaders of the different evolving bodies of belief, to the first ever ‘World Council of Churches: at the town of Nicaea in what today is Turkey, and there under the dominating presence and the unspoken threats of King Constantine, the Universal church was born.
Well im confused now.. Confused not because I don't understand your beliefs but because of the reason that everyone who has replied has a different belief but everyone calls himself Christian..
@S-word
Dear friend, by your reply I got a feeling that you are waiting for a prophet that proclaims that Jesus was a man and not a God. Is this the case??
Moreover Whats the difference between High Priest and Prophet??
Can you support you theory of High Priest with gospel??
@itwillend
S-word has quoted this verse. This negates your theory that Jesus was God. It says you are gods....What do you say??
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I thought Christians had a common belief regarding Jesus.[/quote]
If I'm waiting for anyone, it's Elijah the prophet of Fire who is Like Enoch of the preflood world who had been in the valley of man for 3,000 years before being reborn on earth in the body of the man Jesus. Elijah, who is the only person from the post flood body of man who was carried up to Enoch without experiencing the physical death Has been in the valley of man for almost 3,000 years also, and is soon to be reborn on earth in the body of the heir that he will choose.
Malachi 4: 5; "But before the great and terrible day of the Lord (The seventh period of one thousand years from the day that Adam ate of the forbidden tree and died in that day at the age of 930.) I will send you the prophet Elijah. Malachi 3: 1; "I will send my messenger to prepare the way for me. Then the Lord you are looking for will suddenly come to his Temple, (chosen heir). The messenger you long to see will come and proclaim my covenant." But who will be able to endure the day when he comes? Who will be able to survive when he appears?
Unlike the Greek language, the Hebrew has a specific word for 'Virgin' Which Isaiah does not use in his famous prophecy and instead uses the Hebrew "Bethulah" which means "Concealment: Unmarried female." In transcribing the words of the prophet Isaiah, that an “unmarried female would conceive and bear a child,” into Greek, which unlike the Hebrew language, does not have a specific term for ‘virgin,’ the authors of the Septuagint and Matthew were forced to use the Greek word ‘Parthenos,’ which carries a basic meaning of ‘girl,’ and denotes ‘virgin’ only by implication. ‘Parthenos,’ was often used in reference to non-virgins who had never been married. Homer uses it, and Homer was the standard textbook for learning Greek all throughout antiquity, so any writer of Greek, including Matthew, who transcribed Isaiah’s words, (An unmarried woman would conceive etc) to the best of his ability, did not implying in any way that the woman was a virgin when forced to use the Greek 'parthentos,' being well aware of this words versatile and indefinite meaning.
The first time that “Virgin’ appears in any translation of the Bible, in reference to the mother of Jesus is when it was translated to Latin.
The 5th century Latin Bible ‘The Vulgate,’ was due mainly to the effort of Jerome who was commissioned to make a revision of the books that had already been translated to Latin by in most cases, persons unknown, and with those books translated by Jerome himself, which revision was completed in 405 A.D. became the official bible of the universal church that had been unified by its unorthodox champion, ‘King Constantine,’ who had his father Constantius deified and was accorded the same honour himself after his death.
Docetism, the concept that Jesus existed as a spirit rather than a human being, which had become prevalent in the evolving Christian movement and was the teaching of the anti-christ as warned by John, in 1st John 4: 1-3, and 2nd John verses 7 to 11; by the second century had theoretically been stamped out in Alexandria.
Nevertheless they still held to the view that Jesus had to have been too much of a God to have had the normal needs of we mere human beings, such as eating, drinking and excretion etc, and in the second century A.D., Clement the bishop of Alexandria wrote this, “It would be ridiculous to imagine that the body of the Redeemer, in order to exist, had the usual needs of man. He only took food and ate it in order that we should not teach about him in a Docetic fashion.”
Like most of those who are deceived by the teachings of the anti-christ which refuses to acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being, he ignored the truth of scripture that Jesus must have been suffering the extreme pangs of hunger when Satan tried to tempt him into turning stones into bread. Or otherwise, He, 'Clement' saw Satan as some sort of an idiot trying to tempt a god who did not nned food, to turns stones into bread.
It was around Alexandria of Upper Egypt where the writings of the many Gnostic groups who believed they were in possession of some secret knowledge, were found. But those writings, among which are ‘an Apocalypse of Peter, an ‘Apocalypse of Paul,’ ‘a Secret Book of James,’ and ‘a Letter of Peter to Philip,’ although claiming apostolic authority, were obviously apocryphal and have been judged by most scholars as having been written in the 4th century A.D.
And it was in the 4th century, that King Constantine, sick to the gut of the abuse that was being flung at each other by the many different evolving groups of Christianity, Constantine himself, in 325 A.D., decided to call together, all the Christian leaders of the different evolving bodies of belief, to the first ever ‘World Council of Churches: at the town of Nicaea in what today is Turkey, and there under the dominating presence and the unspoken threats of King Constantine, the Universal church was born.
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Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
What the heck kind of response was that????
You asked about being the son of God, not whether or not he was God? I then provided you with verses that indicate he was known as the son of God.
Are you feeling OK?
John ch 1
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"33": And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
"34": And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
"35": Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
"36": And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
To analyse and discuss the amount of scriptural verses that you have put forward would take many posts, and so I will cover in this post only the first four from the Gospel of John. But first of all, before Jesus was brought to perfection through suffering and was declared to be high priest in the line of succession to Melchizedek with these words from the Lord, see Hebrew 5: 5, “You are my Son, today I have become your Father,” He is referred to in Hebrew 5: 8; as A son of God, which is verified in both Strong’s and Young’s Concordance to the Bible.
"33": And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. "34": And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
When, in verses 33 and 34, John the Baptist says, “And I knew him not,” this should be translated “And I knew not that he was the one that was promised”, because John later confirms in verse 34, that it was only after he had seen the spirit of the Lord descend upon his cousin Jesus that he realised that he was the one that would baptise with the holy spirit.
But it would be incorrect to say that he did not know his cousin Jesus before the spirit of the Lord descended upon him in the form of a dove, thereby revealing to John that he was the promised one, and that he knew him very well, for it is revealed in Matthew 3: 13; that when Jesus came down from Galilee to be baptised by John, John protested strenuously and tried to prevent him, saying, “It is I who need to be baptised by you, and yet you come to me.” This was before the Lord revealed to John that Jesus was the one promised through Moses that the Lord would rise up from among the Israelites and send him in his name to do and say only that which he was commanded in order that the Lord might be made known through his obedient servant Jesus, who after he had been brought to perfection, was then born of God’s spirit which descended upon him in the form of a dove and the voice from heaven was heard to say, “You are my beloved in whom I am well pleased, TODAY I have become Your Father.” See the more ancient authorities of Luke 3: 22.
"35": Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
Verse 35, the two men who were with John the Baptist were Peter and Philip from Bethsaida who played a part in the multiplication of the loaves and the fishes on the hills just below the town of Bethsaida: and in medieval art, Philip’s symbol was loaves. Philip was the son of Herod the Great and the young Jewess Cleopatra, who should not be confused with Cleopatra the Queen of Egypt who bore to Mark Antony from the territory of Macedonia, the twin children, ‘Cleopatra Selena’ and ‘Alexander Helious’ in 40 B.C., 20 years before the birth of Philip.
Philip was about 13 years older than Jesus the grandson of Heli and Heli is the Greek adaptation of the Hebrew ‘Eli the high priest’. In 34 A.D. shortly after the death and resurrection of Jesus, the reign of Philip came to an end, and he simply vanishes from the pages of history, then in 36 A.D., Herod Agrippa 1, who had James the son of Zebadee killed and who was the grandson of Herod the Great and nephew of Philip and Antipas, received the tetrarchy of Batanaera and Trachonitis to the east of the Sea of Galilee, formally held by his uncle Philip.
"36": And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
At the age of 365, the number of days in a calendar year which is the age of the sacrificial Lamb of God, Enoch was carried to heaven and chosen to replace the son of the most high who had been banished from the presence of God, who, holding the ransom blood of the righteous Able which could pay for the life of but one man, the Most high said to the glorious ones who surrounded his throne, “This is the one I have chosen, It is my will that Enoch stand Before my face into all eternity, who all answered as one, “So be it according to your will”. But the blood of Christ speaks of much greater things than does the blood of righteous Abel; see Hebrew 12: 24.
Michael was then commanded to strip Enoch of his earthly Garment and to anoint him with the sweet smelling ointment of God that shone with the brilliance of the sun, and behold, Enoch was as one of the glorious ones. The word “Christ,” means the anointed one and Enoch is the only one of all mankind to have been anointed in the presence of the Most High. When the old indwelling Godhead of the body of mankind was baptised in the waters of the flood he died and the new Godhead arose who was our Father Enoch the living spirit in the bodies of Noah, his wife, their three sons and their wives, who were all direct descendants of Enoch through his six sons, Methusulah, Rigam, Riman, Urchan, Cherminion and Giadad.
It was in the body of mankind that our spiritual ancestral Father ascended to the ends of this age, where in the innermost sanctuary of his tabernacle which is the body of post-flood mankind, he evolved on the spirits of all who lived, gaining all the wisdom, knowledge and insight needed by the heir to the throne of Godhead from the pain and suffering inflicted on the body in which he was developing, which pain and sufferings were caused by the sins and mistakes of we who are the tent in which he develops or the sinful body in which he develops Psalms 51: 5, "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my Mother(The body in which he developed) conceive me.
Enoch is not the glorious simulacrum which was born into the eighth heaven of eternal light with the death of the body in which He had developed, but was the cornerstone to that simulacrum which is the blue print or prototype of the new creation that comes from man in the eternal process of evolution, and it is the heavenly simulacrum who is the true sacrificial Lamb of God who dies in the process of involution in order to be the saviour of we in evolution, and He, the compilation and enclosure of all the spirits of mankind, diminishes into nothingness, by releasing, from the least to the greatest, the spirits of which he was formed. Enoch who was the least in the glorious simulacrum was the first to be reborn on earth as Jesus. But that story will have to wait and be revealed as we continue to explain the verses you have put forward.
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@itwillend
The thing is that your belief and and what S-word says here is totally contradictory. I was just asking that how is it possible that you both call yourselves Christian and have these beliefs.
@S-word
Friend, I would like to study your belief more. What sect do you belong to?? Do you have any websites??
Thanks a million..
Cheers
The thing is that your belief and and what S-word says here is totally contradictory. I was just asking that how is it possible that you both call yourselves Christian and have these beliefs.
@S-word
Friend, I would like to study your belief more. What sect do you belong to?? Do you have any websites??
Thanks a million..
Cheers
No, my dear friend, I do not have a web site and nor would I know how to begin one, which in fact is, because I am not yet ready to establish my own personal web site at this point in time, when and if that time is to come, it will happen.
As I don't have much time to spend on the families computer this morning, I will begin a Thread tonight, and will call It, (To all who would know "Who I Am").
This will be in response to your good self, and to all those who have said, "Where in the flamin hell is this bloke comin from."
Edit: The thread will have to wait as family commitments take preference to everything else, God willing, I might begin it tomorrow night.
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