Jesus tells us "Being Gay is Okay" IMHO

[dust1n]

It's such a simple question and yet such a complex answer. It's easy for me to give you a parallel example.

Forget God, and instead lets say you make a post on the garden forum here. You say you hate cucumbers. You make it clear quite simply that you hate cucumbers. Then someone else comes along and says, oh, so, you like cucumbers. That isn't interpretation that's misrepresentation.

Homosexuality has, only recently in the U.S. gained some support. When I was born you could be arrested for being gay, associating with gays or being in a place where gays were known to hang out. Literally put in a patty wagon, taken to jail, charged, had your name put in the paper, loose all of your friends and family and your job.

But in Jesus' and Moses' day homosexuality was far more accepted and practiced. Young boys were used as homosexual prostitutes, catamites, temple whores . . . the Olympics were basically homosexual pedophile orgies.

Now people in Western cultures tend to think Christianity should allow, even embrace homosexuality. It isn't just that they want to deceive themselves into thinking it's ok to be Christian and gay, they want Christianity to embrace homosexuality and say it was ok with Jesus, and it wasn't.

So how exactly has your right to worship been infringed upon again?

Taking your cucumber example. I got into the gardening forum. I say, "I hate cucumbers!" Everyone else, is like, "dust1n definitely loves cucumbers!" How is my freedom of religion (or, I guess, freedom of speech in this case) been suppressed in this scenario?

 

[Earthling]

So how exactly has your right to worship been infringed upon again?

Taking your cucumber example. I got into the gardening forum. I say, "I hate cucumbers!" Everyone else, is like, "dust1n definitely loves cucumbers!" How is my freedom of religion (or, I guess, freedom of speech in this case) been suppressed in this scenario?

In the case of Christianity and Homosexuality what you are saying is that Christianity should go against it's own teachings, whereas I'm saying if your homosexual make your own religion or change accordingly.

 

[dust1n]

In the case of Christianity and Homosexuality what you are saying is that Christianity should go against it's own teachings, whereas I'm saying if your homosexual make your own religion or change accordingly.

No I'm not. What's I'm saying, "Jesus has no problem with gay people," regardless of the veracity of the statement, in no way infringes upon your right to worship. Now if the government was literally arresting preachers because they thought or taught otherwise, then obviously that would an infringement on one's right to worship. The fact that someone sees something differently, even if it were entirely misguided, and they are just stating their open in an open forum, is not an infringement on your right to worship. It in no way inhibits your ability to go to whatever church and to read whatever you want, or to think about what you've read differently...

I mean, unless you are practicing Catholicism, it seems like the whole of Protestantism is essentially no different in that it claims to have read something different into the Bible than the people who had previously been keeping it alive for the millennium before.

 

[Earthling]

No I'm not. What's I'm saying, "Jesus has no problem with gay people," regardless of the veracity of the statement, in no way infringes upon your right to worship.

That's correct. I never said otherwise. He also has no problem with people who rape children, murder, steal, rob, cheat on their wives, hire prostitutes, pollute the oceans, streams, lands, rivers, wage wars for money and power etc. But they can't be in the congregation while doing so or be resurrected to everlasting life on earth until they repent.

Now if the government was literally arresting preachers because they thought or taught otherwise, then obviously that would an infringement on one's right to worship. The fact that someone sees something differently, even if it were entirely misguided, and they are just stating their open in an open forum, is not an infringement on your right to worship. It in no way inhibits your ability to go to whatever church and to read whatever you want, or to think about what you've read differently...

That's correct. I never said otherwise. Until they start saying they have to be allowed into the Christian congregation, or insisting that Christianity should get with the modern times and allow homosexuality. They are completely within their rights to interpret the teachings of Jesus incorrectly.

I mean, unless you are practicing Catholicism, it seems like the whole of Protestantism is essentially no different in that it claims to have read something different into the Bible than the people who had previously been keeping it alive for the millennium before.

By burning at the stake anyone who possessed or read or tried to translate it into a language so that anyone other than them could read it. I don't think so.

 

[dust1n]

That's correct. I never said otherwise.

The only reason I responded is because you said this: "But when you start telling people that homosexuality is okay with Jesus, or that his modern day followers should be okay with it you are essentially trying to take away our religious freedom."

He also has no problem with people who rape children, murder, steal, rob, cheat on their wives, hire prostitutes, pollute the oceans, streams, lands, rivers, wage wars for money and power etc. But they can't be in the congregation while doing so or be resurrected to everlasting life on earth until they repent.

I mean, if your own congregation excludes gay people, that's sort of its business. Forcing a given church to accept members is not close to the same thing as someone saying something about what Jesus thinks.

That's correct. I never said otherwise. Until they start saying they have to be allowed into the Christian congregation, or insisting that Christianity should get with the modern times and allow homosexuality. They are completely within their rights to interpret the teachings of Jesus incorrectly.

Glad we agree, though your original comment left me with a different impression.

By burning at the stake anyone who possessed or read or tried to translate it into a language so that anyone other than them could read it. I don't think so.

More or less, and then add on some centuries of bloodshed across Europe.

Although, Orthodox teachings place in common vernacular before then. However, the Orthodox church still probably has more in common with Catholicism then not. If anything the Orthodox church is far more open to practitioners having varied beliefs.