Jesus' Tomb Opened for First Time in Centuries

[roger1440]

It will be interesting to find out the full report of what archaeologists find. I suspect there will be no 'smoking gun' found but I'm reserving judgement.

Déjà vu, ( i/ˌdeɪʒɑː ˈvuː/; French pronunciation: [de.ʒa.vy]) from French, literally "already seen", is the phenomenon of having the strong sensation that an event or experience currently being experienced has already been experienced in the past.[1][2][3][4] Déjà vu is a feeling of familiarity, and déjà vécu (the feeling of having "already lived through" something)[5] is a feeling of recollection.[6]
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[loverofhumanity]

All three say the same thing just reworded.

If Jesus stayed in body form, he no longer exists. If mainstream interpretation is correct, his body rose with his spirit. Either way, what do the archaeologist move? It can't be Jesus.

Jesus exists in the hearts and minds of His believers. A spiritual presence can be felt in the heart just as strongly as a physical presence.

Also scientifically it is impossible what Christians are claiming. It is mere superstition a physical resurrection and it is always possible they will find Christ's Body one day which would have been hidden from the Romans until Constantine appeared.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Jesus exists in the hearts and minds of His believers. A spiritual presence can be felt in the heart just as strongly as a physical presence.

Also scientifically it is impossible. It is always possible they will find Christ's Body one day which would have been hidden from the Romans until Constantine appeared.

Spiritually and physically are different when talking about Christianity and the laws of physics. Jesus may have existed then and his body decomposed and no longer exists in the manner would expect-bones, flesh, etc. He's a part of the earth, now. Laws of physics don't change between 3,000 years.

Spiritually, you can say almost anything and it would be valid because it depends on the person's belief and how much he/she is attached to it. However, I'm looking more toward the physical part.

If they do not and confirm there is no jesus, how would that affect your belief spiritually?

 

[loverofhumanity]

All three say the same thing just reworded.

If Jesus stayed in body form, he no longer exists. If mainstream interpretation is correct, his body rose with his spirit. Either way, what do the archaeologist move? It can't be Jesus.

Please note that Moses and Elias were 'talking' with Jesus and the disciples 'saw' Moses and Elias yet this was classified as a 'vision' just like the resurrection was also a vision not a physical event where they also saw and spoke with Jesus after He had died.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Please note that Moses and Elias were 'talking' with Jesus and the disciples 'saw' Moses and Elias yet this was classified as a 'vision' just like the resurrection was also a vision not a physical event where they also saw and spoke with Jesus after He had died.

I understand that. That aside. What I'm saying is Jesus body is part of the earth now. His spirit is in you.

What would the archaeologist move other than jesus' tomb? There isn't a jesus to be moved.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I understand that. That aside. What I'm saying is Jesus body is part of the earth now. His spirit is in you.

What would the archaeologist move other than jesus' tomb? There isn't a jesus to be moved.

The body of Jesus was moved from the tomb and so there is nothing to find. But His remains such as His bones may have been secretly buried elsewhere when Constantine's mother had the Church of the Holy Sepulchre built.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The body of Jesus was moved from the tomb and so there is nothing to find. But His remains such as His bones may have been secretly buried elsewhere when Constantine's mother had the Church of the Holy Sepulchre built.

But the bones no longer exist today. I read it takes 8 to 10 years for a body to decompose and longer if kept up. It's been over a thousand years. Are you talking about only back then or are they trying to find jesus bones today?

 

[loverofhumanity]

There might be a sarcophagus where the remains have been preserved. There are many unknowns to just say it cannot be detected. The Egyptians were able to preserve remains. In those parts of the world Pharoahs were mummified and there's no reason why Christ's body wasn't.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

That's a matter of opinion. Christ clearly did not physically resurrect so the body exists.

Unless mummified somehow, it's doubtful a body would still exist today.

Also scientifically it is impossible what Christians are claiming.

It really isn't. I can think of at least one plausible medical scenario to justify the account.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Unless mummified somehow, it's doubtful a body would still exist today.

It really isn't. I can think of at least one plausible medical scenario to justify the account.

It's a superstition that has ruined Christianity and Christians. It was a vision. Other Prophets of God that have since come have stated unequivically that it is mere superstition based upon wrong interpretations of the Bible.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

LoverofHumanity;

Jesus exists in the hearts and minds of His believers. A spiritual presence can be felt in the heart just as strongly as a physical presence.

Also scientifically it is impossible what Christians are claiming. It is mere superstition a physical resurrection and it is always possible they will find Christ's Body one day which would have been hidden from the Romans until Constantine appeared.

Who says it is scientifically impossible...??...You assume a great deal about science and its level of knowledge in that statement - but - they DONT know everything, do they ?
What though - of the One who came DIRECT from LITERALLY the SOURCE of everything...?...How about HIS level of knowledge..??.. Think such a One would indeed KNOW everything, being the SOURCE of everything..??... Probably YES He would

And of course He already KNEW there would be such inherant doubt and disbelief - of course it SEEMS impossible to us who are only mortal as yet - but see clearly - this is WHY He CHOSE to die such a public death - so that He could PROVE His truth to all those who couldnt understand Him without this direct evidence to see clearly...It was indeed a PHYSICAL resurrection - resulting in the "appearace" of a normal mortal body (generally) - but now able to literally CHANGE THAT FORM AT WILL - for as said it is ALL about MIND and CREATION Folks - never forget that - ALWAYS a Self created Being - this resurrection was to amply demonstrate all that He had taught as legitimate eternal truth..

Like when by force of Will he caused water to become wine - literal - or when out of nothing but empty air he fed a multitude with actual loaves and fish - or when with just as touch and a spoken Word He causes those with leprosay to becme whole again as if they had NEVER had the malady at all ever...SEE WHAT HE IS DOING..??>>..

He is taking DIVINE WILL - the Presence of the Divine Mind - and literally REMOULDING THE VERY ENERGY OF CREATION ITSELF !!!

Understand that as He freed the Self TOTALLY and finally at mortal death so He likewise reclaimed His FULL potential and faculty AS the Divine Christ...Even Yeshua HAD TO DIE to enable this final transformation to occur... He already knew this was entirely necassary told the disciples He WOULD die and even practically orders Judas to hand Him over tells Him directly it MUST be done and that Judas will be doing mankind the greatest of services...

After He resurrects He has some rather unique capabilities that He does not display before hand...Such as coming and going in a mere instant without actually leaving but just "disappearing" or "reappearing" right before them all - changing form as said, often appearing first as a small child only to become the Yeshua they know right before their eyes.. Entering into locked closed buildings where they gather for secret safety and His apearance there among them directly startles and confuses them....As I say elsewhere - the bible does NOT contain HIS full truth - it contains only that which they allow you to know and that which it does contain is but a mere TWISTED truth and not His original intent...Read instead the ORIGINAL disciple gosples for the more legitimate version - check that which they called "herasy" and apocrypha for some more legitimate truth - and understand clearly this same phenomena is available to us all - full transcendance and One ness with my Father Source of All -but this religion cannot and will not allow us to have that truth -for whe we do we commune DIRECTLY withthat source BECOME IT for the Self, and they the religious authority are seen for the obsolete sham they always were...

The religion cannot allow us to have Christ truth - for if we do then we no longer need THEM as an authority above us and they would lose all power and station become fully obsolete immediatly so - and so they murdered Him silenced Him and altered that truth to their own agenda....as He said clearly you can NOT serve these two masters - incompatable - religious truth is NOT truth of Christ....

 

[roger1440]

How was this tomb authenticated? Were any scholars, historians, or archaeologists involved?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Hi Folks..

LoverofHumanity;

Who says it is scientifically impossible...??...You assume a great deal about science and its level of knowledge in that statement - but - they DONT know everything, do they ?
What though - of the One who came DIRECT from LITERALLY the SOURCE of everything...?...How about HIS level of knowledge..??.. Think such a One would indeed KNOW everything, being the SOURCE of everything..??... Probably YES He would

And of course He already KNEW there would be such inherant doubt and disbelief - of course it SEEMS impossible to us who are only mortal as yet - but see clearly - this is WHY He CHOSE to die such a public death - so that He could PROVE His truth to all those who couldnt understand Him without this direct evidence to see clearly...It was indeed a PHYSICAL resurrection - resulting in the "appearace" of a normal mortal body (generally) - but now able to literally CHANGE THAT FORM AT WILL - for as said it is ALL about MIND and CREATION Folks - never forget that - ALWAYS a Self created Being - this resurrection was to amply demonstrate all that He had taught as legitimate eternal truth..

Like when by force of Will he caused water to become wine - literal - or when out of nothing but empty air he fed a multitude with actual loaves and fish - or when with just as touch and a spoken Word He causes those with leprosay to becme whole again as if they had NEVER had the malady at all ever...SEE WHAT HE IS DOING..??>>..

He is taking DIVINE WILL - the Presence of the Divine Mind - and literally REMOULDING THE VERY ENERGY OF CREATION ITSELF !!!

Understand that as He freed the Self TOTALLY and finally at mortal death so He likewise reclaimed His FULL potential and faculty AS the Divine Christ...Even Yeshua HAD TO DIE to enable this final transformation to occur... He already knew this was entirely necassary told the disciples He WOULD die and even practically orders Judas to hand Him over tells Him directly it MUST be done and that Judas will be doing mankind the greatest of services...

After He resurrects He has some rather unique capabilities that He does not display before hand...Such as coming and going in a mere instant without actually leaving but just "disappearing" or "reappearing" right before them all - changing form as said, often appearing first as a small child only to become the Yeshua they know right before their eyes.. Entering into locked closed buildings where they gather for secret safety and His apearance there among them directly startles and confuses them....As I say elsewhere - the bible does NOT contain HIS full truth - it contains only that which they allow you to know and that which it does contain is but a mere TWISTED truth and not His original intent...Read instead the ORIGINAL disciple gosples for the more legitimate version - check that which they called "herasy" and apocrypha for some more legitimate truth - and understand clearly this same phenomena is available to us all - full transcendance and One ness with my Father Source of All -but this religion cannot and will not allow us to have that truth -for whe we do we commune DIRECTLY withthat source BECOME IT for the Self, and they the religious authority are seen for the obsolete sham they always were...

The religion cannot allow us to have Christ truth - for if we do then we no longer need THEM as an authority above us and they would lose all power and station become fully obsolete immediatly so - and so they murdered Him silenced Him and altered that truth to their own agenda....as He said clearly you can NOT serve these two masters - incompatable - religious truth is NOT truth of Christ....

Yes you speak true on many a matter. Insincerity is rife and has been for a long while. I agree we are not fully informed on many matters. Many things I have discovered not to be consistent with truth.

The Bible is the Word of God to me but its interpretation as well as other books left out makes one ask questions. I understand differently but in a way my God given mind accepts and we are given reason so we can distinguish truth from falsehood. Thank you for replying.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

It's a superstition that has ruined Christianity and Christians.

These people couldn't differentiate between clinical death and comatose ... and some can't even NOW, even though we have lots of machines to help figure it out. Jesus can "look dead" and be put in a tomb (convenient he wasn't buried in the earth, right?) and then wake up later. I mean, it happened to Juliet ....

 

[Shiranui117]

How was this tomb authenticated? Were any scholars, historians, or archaeologists involved?

Not by anyone since the 300's. Back then it was Eusebius the historian writing about it, and Constantine's mother Helen was the one who headed the initiative to build the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. I think they're working on scanning the surface of the tomb to look for evidence of graffiti, like crosses marked on the side of the tomb by pilgrims or local Christians who went to visit His tomb from way back.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/10/jesus-tomb-opened-church-holy-sepulchre/

But yeah, ultimately there's zero way to prove that this specific tomb was used by one specific dead 1st-century Jew. All we could be able to do is prove that the tomb was put into use around Jesus' time and that it was maybe possibly Jesus' tomb.

These people couldn't differentiate between clinical death and comatose ... and some can't even NOW, even though we have lots of machines to help figure it out. Jesus can "look dead" and be put in a tomb (convenient he wasn't buried in the earth, right?) and then wake up later. I mean, it happened to Juliet ....

You're not comatose after you get stabbed in the chest with a spear, unless the solder in question doing the stabbing is hella incompetent. (John 19:34) Juliet just messed up with the dosage.

 

[Shiranui117]

It's a superstition that has ruined Christianity and Christians. It was a vision. Other Prophets of God that have since come have stated unequivically that it is mere superstition based upon wrong interpretations of the Bible.

If you have Bible passages where Jesus says that He has a physical body (Luke 24:39), and where Jesus tells people to put their fingers in His hands and His side (John 20:27), and where Jesus takes and eats food in front of them (Luke 24:42-43), then it's pretty clear that Jesus wasn't just a vision. His Resurrection, according to the Bible, is a physical one. You can try and spin it any way you want, but don't try and pretend that we can't interpret the book that we wrote. It's one thing to say that the Bible is wrong. It's another thing to try and tell us that the book doesn't mean anything at all what it says. That kind of approach is just flat-out disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.

 

[loverofhumanity]

These people couldn't differentiate between clinical death and comatose ... and some can't even NOW, even though we have lots of machines to help figure it out. Jesus can "look dead" and be put in a tomb (convenient he wasn't buried in the earth, right?) and then wake up later. I mean, it happened to Juliet ....

The thing is the church has been perpetuating a fallacy for over 2,000 years for the sole purpose of entrapping the naive and gullible to gain power and limitless wealth for themselves.

The true resurrection of Christ was His Teachings were able to change the hearts of people after He had physically died. That is the true miracle of Jesus not the baloney and circus performer image the church have created to make their followers feel superior to the rest of the human race.

Jesus taught above all else, humility, yet mostly all we see today are Christians arrogantly going around proclaiming their beliefs as the only truth, that all other religions are false that they themselves are saved, nobody else and such nonsense that only they themselves believe and the world is rejecting.

Churches are closing and being sold not because people are turning away from God but because their God given minds minds no longer can accept this superiority ideal Christians teach and naively believe in.

God created all men equal and Christians just because they believe in Jesus doesn't make them any better or superior to anyone else who believes in Buddha, Muhammad or any other Messenger.

It's just like a product being sold wants to advertise it is the best so to get more business. That's what religion has become. Not for brotherly love anymore but for the egotistical heaven of being able to arrogantly walk around proclaiming one self to be superior to everyone else on the planet. And people are sick of this attitude. This is the day that if one cant accept the equality of all men and religion then you're going to get left behind and abandoned and that's what's happening to the church.

 

[Shad]

No evidence that this is the tome. Tradition does not mean fact... The article even says the source of this tradition. You didn't read your own source.

 

[Shad]

How was this tomb authenticated? Were any scholars, historians, or archaeologists involved?

None were as per the article. Read it.

 

[loverofhumanity]

If you have Bible passages where Jesus says that He has a physical body (Luke 24:39), and where Jesus tells people to put their fingers in His hands and His side (John 20:27), and where Jesus takes and eats food in front of them (Luke 24:42-43), then it's pretty clear that Jesus wasn't just a vision. His Resurrection, according to the Bible, is a physical one. You can try and spin it any way you want, but don't try and pretend that we can't interpret the book that we wrote. It's one thing to say that the Bible is wrong. It's another thing to try and tell us that the book doesn't mean anything at all what it says. That kind of approach is just flat-out disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.

I've had dreams where I have had physical interaction, spoken and met people. Then I woke up. Apparently most are still sleeping.

It is a mere superstition that the clergy has preyed upon gullible minds who will believe such interpretations in order to amass membership and prevent losing their followers to other Faiths.

There are other ways of interpreting these passages but Christians CHOOSE the interpretation which makes their egos feel superior and exalted above everyone else.

That is the truth.

Why not choose an interpretation which says that the Body of the Cause of Jesus resurrected? Because then that could be applied to Muhammad and Buddha also and to all the religions and then you would have no more superiority arguments that you have the sole truth and are the only ones saved. All the Messengers of God whether Muhammad, Buddha, Baha'u'llah all were equal and there is no superiority except what the clergy has taught to entrap gullible minds.

The passages can be interpreted in ways that don't exalt Christians above the rest of the human race as superior 'saved' chosen ones but that wouldn't give the ego the heavenly bliss of feeling superior to everyone else and being the only saved ones, unique and exclusive.

Christ taught humility. The false teachings going around now that ones belief is superior to others contradicts every law of love and is not what the Bible teaches but what people CHOOSE to interpret to satisfy their egos as they of course want to see themselves as superior to others.

The Cause of every Messenger/ Messiah was resurrected. There is nothing unique or exclusive about Christians claims except that they don't investigate using their minds and don't look at things like Mount Tabor where Moses and Elias were present yet it was a vision.

The Christian interpretation of the resurrection is a materialistic interpretation unworthy of Christ and makes Him look like a circus performer Who proves His worth by performing tricks such as walking in water and rising from the dead which all have spiritual meanings not what is currently believed.

Christ to me is a Holy Divine Being which I deeply revere, sent by God, not a circus performer which Christians have turned Him into to sell themselves and their religion.

His Words of love and forgiveness and turning the other cheek are the foundation of His religion not tricks and magic.