Jesus vs. Ancient Egyptian (Kemetic) religion

[ShaunGoldstein]

Jesus was the only begotten son of the god Yahweh.
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Horus was the �only begotten son� of the god Osiris.
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The mother of Jesus was Mary. Sometimes referred to as Maria (Gospel of Mark) or Miriam.
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The mother of Horus was Meri.
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The foster father of Jesus was Joseph
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The foster father of Horus was Jo-Seph
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The birth of Jesus was heralded by a star in the East (where the Sun rises in the morning)
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The birth of Horus was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star)
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After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have him murdered
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After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have him murdered
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Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-nemesis Satan.
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Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set.
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Jesus was known as the Christ (which means anointed one)
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Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one.
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Jesus is identified with the Tau (cross)
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Horus was identified with the Tau

Is Christianity merely a knockoff of Imperial Roman Paganism (in turn derived from Greek Paganism, in turn derived from Egyptian Paganism), Hellenistic Judaism, Hinduism, and a mixture of other faiths of the time?

It took 'Trinity' concept which is its core concept from the Hindus and to show itself different showed its relation with Judaism to get more semitic converts.

It used trinity to attract pagans of Europe and used origin from Bible to attract Jews.

A Good marketing Decision indeed.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Every once in a while people spam this here.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

You must get your facts from the Zetgeist. I'm Kemetic, I assure you most of what you just said isn't true. There are some similarities, but not to the level you described. Also, Jesus may have been influenced by Kemetic thought, but I don't see that all through his teachings. He was influenced by other things too. As for Heru-sa-Aset (Horus), he and Jesus are absolutely nothing alike. Heru was born a god, Jesus was born a man. Heru and Set fought for the throne of Wesir (Osiris). Jesus said his throne was given to him by his father. Heru was never crucified, that's revisionist junk. When Heru took his place on Wesir's throne he became known as the king of upper and lower Egypt, the king of kings and lord of lords. Also when Wesir died, he didn't rise from the dead in the same way the Gospels describe. He became king of the netherworld (world of the dead).

 

[ShaunGoldstein]

Every once in a while people spam this here.

Not to be pretentious, but has there ever been an honest discussion on the real origins of Christianity here?

It's widely known for example that Christianity ripped off the entire Torah from Judaism. It also incorporated bits of Greek and Roman philosophy and transformed the Greco-Roman gods into Christian saints.

It would not be so hard to believe that Christianity absorbed legends, myths, and stories from all over the Roman Empire and Mediterranean, re-wrote them, and mixed and mashed them to create their new religion.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

And Heru's mother isn't named Meri, her name is Aset (Isis), the lady of magic.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Not to be pretentious, but has there ever been an honest discussion on the real origins of Christianity here?

Look for yourself.

 

[ShaunGoldstein]

Look for yourself.

I can understand if you get a bit defensive, but try and have an open mind okay. I'm not saying that Christianity is the exact same as Ancient Egyptian religion.

But do you realize if you identify as a Christian, you are already coming from a certain mindset, where you have been conditioned to believe something? I think you can believe what you want (so long as it's non-violent and doesn't offend others) but do you want to push the Christo-centric POV on others?

When the facts are so clear, I can understand that it hurts. It's a well known psychological reaction.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I can understand if you get a bit defensive.

Um, not being defensive.

I'm just not impressed with your ability to cut and paste. I see no reason to look up threads on the forum when - if you're able - you can search for them yourself.

 

[fallingblood]

Not to be pretentious, but has there ever been an honest discussion on the real origins of Christianity here?

It's widely known for example that Christianity ripped off the entire Torah from Judaism. It also incorporated bits of Greek and Roman philosophy and transformed the Greco-Roman gods into Christian saints.

It would not be so hard to believe that Christianity absorbed legends, myths, and stories from all over the Roman Empire and Mediterranean, re-wrote them, and mixed and mashed them to create their new religion.

There have been quite a few discussions on the origins of Christianity here. More so, there have been numerous discussions just recently about a historical Jesus.

However, the whole idea that Jesus is just a reinvented pagan god-men has thoroughly been debunked. Yosef has shown quite well that Horus and Jesus were not the same. A little more research into any of the god-men would show that the similarities are quite minor, and can also be seen in many other historical people, such as Augustus (again, just minor similarities).

As for Christianity ripping off the Torah, that is actually ridiculous. Christianity began as a Jewish sect. Again, Christianity started off being a Jewish sect. So they did not rip off the Torah, as they were Jews to start off with. It just later evolved into Christianity, after a split between Judaism and the Jewish movement formed. Even then though, there were still many groups of Jewish-Christians that were in existence for centuries after the death of Jesus.

As for incorporating other ideas into Christianity, that is nothing surprising or some type of conspiracy cover-up. Every religion, every culture, with few exceptions, incorporate ideas of the cultures that are around them. However, to the extent that you are saying, there is no evidence. You have to try a lot harder then just some things you found off the internet, but never fact checked.

 

[fallingblood]

I can understand if you get a bit defensive, but try and have an open mind okay. I'm not saying that Christianity is the exact same as Ancient Egyptian religion.

But do you realize if you identify as a Christian, you are already coming from a certain mindset, where you have been conditioned to believe something? I think you can believe what you want (so long as it's non-violent and doesn't offend others) but do you want to push the Christo-centric POV on others?

When the facts are so clear, I can understand that it hurts. It's a well known psychological reaction.

I'm not a Christian, so everything you said should not apply to me. However, I still deny the supposed facts that you've posted here. I've even refuted them. Not because I want to push a Christo-centric POV on others, but because I'm interested in historical fact. Not some conspiracy theory that, once actually researched, shows that there is no real basis to it.

I would have to say that from seeing other posts by angellous_evangellous, he is not someone who is trying to push a Christo-centric POV on others either.

Dustin White

 

[Hyperborean]

A note on "KRST":

There's no such title in Ancient Egyptian as "KRST" - is a rendering of a triconsonantal root K-R-S. Specifically "KRST" is the word for “burial” (“coffin” is written “KRSW&#8221. The original title of Jesus is "Mosiach" in Hebrew and "Masih" in Arabic which bears no resemblance to "KRST" at all. At the heart of Egyptian vocabulary is a root of three consonants, which is also preserved in the modern semitic languages. "KRST" therefore does not mean "anointed",

The word Christ comes form the Greek words "χρῖμα" and "χρῖσμα" are Indo-European in origin derived from (*ghrei- in PIE), while Ancient Egyptian was Afro-Asiatic. Related words in Greek are χρίσμα "ointment, unguent, anointment"; χρῖσται "oil, oil flask". "The anointed, Messiah", "Christ", is from a verb χρίω, χρίομαι (long -ῑ-, later also short -ῐ-; aorist χρῖσαι, -σασθαι, -σθῆναι, perfect κέχριμαι, -ισμαι, -ικ&#945.

Strangely enough, I can't find the names "Meri," "Herut," or "Jo-Seph" as Egyptian Gods anywhere but on radical atheist websites. However, Herod was well documented as a person, even by the Pagan Roman Empire, as was his father, Herod the Great.

 

[enchanted_one1975]

I couldn't read through that whole list. I went through some and couldn't find anything right about Horus' Family Tree.

 

[Azakel]

I couldn't read through that whole list. I went through some and couldn't find anything right about Horus' Family Tree.

That because it a bunch of made up stuff someone created to try and bash Christianity by mixing in Egyptian Paganism.
You know to me it would make more sense if Christianity where to 'Steal' from a religion it would be Roman/Greek, since that's who they seemed to have more contact with at the times and there are similar figure there too.
And I think that's they key, similarity. Who will always find something similar within different religions and culture, especially if there close to each other. But also in ones that have had no contact for the longest time.

 

[arcanum]

Not to be pretentious, but has there ever been an honest discussion on the real origins of Christianity here?

It's widely known for example that Christianity ripped off the entire Torah from Judaism. It also incorporated bits of Greek and Roman philosophy and transformed the Greco-Roman gods into Christian saints.

It would not be so hard to believe that Christianity absorbed legends, myths, and stories from all over the Roman Empire and Mediterranean, re-wrote them, and mixed and mashed them to create their new religion.

ripped of the torah from Judaism??:no: obviously someone ignorant of Christianity's very Jewish origins.in it's beginnings it was one with Judaism.I'm guessing mr goldstein has never actually read any of the new testament.

 

[Thesavorofpan]

Jesus was the only begotten son of the god Yahweh.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Horus was the �only begotten son� of the god Osiris.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The mother of Jesus was Mary. Sometimes referred to as Maria (Gospel of Mark) or Miriam.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The mother of Horus was Meri.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The foster father of Jesus was Joseph
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The foster father of Horus was Jo-Seph
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The birth of Jesus was heralded by a star in the East (where the Sun rises in the morning)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The birth of Horus was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have him murdered
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have him murdered
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-nemesis Satan.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jesus was known as the Christ (which means anointed one)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jesus is identified with the Tau (cross)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Horus was identified with the Tau

Is Christianity merely a knockoff of Imperial Roman Paganism (in turn derived from Greek Paganism, in turn derived from Egyptian Paganism), Hellenistic Judaism, Hinduism, and a mixture of other faiths of the time?

It took 'Trinity' concept which is its core concept from the Hindus and to show itself different showed its relation with Judaism to get more semitic converts.

It used trinity to attract pagans of Europe and used origin from Bible to attract Jews.

A Good marketing Decision indeed.

Your concept of Jesus is wrong. Jesus is God wrapped in flesh and definitely not the son of God. God is One and not three. If God was a trinity then this concept would be right since he is one your concept is wrong.

 

[fallingblood]

Your concept of Jesus is wrong. Jesus is God wrapped in flesh and definitely not the son of God. God is One and not three. If God was a trinity then this concept would be right since he is one your concept is wrong.

I would have to say your concept is wrong as well. Jesus never claimed to be God wrapped in flesh. Jesus was a human, possibly considered a prophet at most during his time.

 

[jaymo870]

Your concept of Jesus is wrong. Jesus is God wrapped in flesh and definitely not the son of God. God is One and not three. If God was a trinity then this concept would be right since he is one your concept is wrong.

Have you read John 3:16? "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten (fill in this blank after reading)...

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Every once in a while people spam this here.

Don't ya just hate tepid reruns?

 

[TheDopeyOne]

Awesome thread.

I will definitely be adding to it.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Jesus was the only begotten son of the god Yahweh.
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Horus was the �only begotten son� of the god Osiris.
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The mother of Jesus was Mary. Sometimes referred to as Maria (Gospel of Mark) or Miriam.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The mother of Horus was Meri.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The foster father of Jesus was Joseph
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The foster father of Horus was Jo-Seph
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The birth of Jesus was heralded by a star in the East (where the Sun rises in the morning)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The birth of Horus was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have him murdered
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have him murdered
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-nemesis Satan.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jesus was known as the Christ (which means anointed one)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jesus is identified with the Tau (cross)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Horus was identified with the Tau

Is Christianity merely a knockoff of Imperial Roman Paganism (in turn derived from Greek Paganism, in turn derived from Egyptian Paganism), Hellenistic Judaism, Hinduism, and a mixture of other faiths of the time?

It took 'Trinity' concept which is its core concept from the Hindus and to show itself different showed its relation with Judaism to get more semitic converts.

It used trinity to attract pagans of Europe and used origin from Bible to attract Jews.

A Good marketing Decision indeed.

As there is only One Consciousness which is everything, I would expect to see things overlap that way, it is fractal, not a problem to me, more so if it did not. It is more to do with the understanding of the nature of God which Jews only have in part, as most of us do