Jesus was a Jew. When did his followers stop being Jews?

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Jews do not believe that JESUS IS THE messiah. the CHRIST. they are still waiting for the promised Messiah .

I know. They reject Him because He did not fulfill some Messianic prophecies. The don't accept that He is coming again. Then He will fulfill the one not fulfilled at His first coming. They also reject him because their theology says the Messiah can't die. Isa 53 is clearly Messianic and it says He will die.

 

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Jesus was a Jew teaching his followers. I have heard Jews refer to him as a Rabbi.
He said that he didn't come to destroy the (Mosaic) Law, but to fulfill it. (Matt 5:17-20)
Therefore, are Christians allowed to call ourselves Jews?

the Jews do not believe Jeus was the promised Messiah. they are still waiting for the Messiah.

 

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I know. They reject Him because He did not fulfill some Messianic prophecies. The don't accept that He is coming again. Then He will fulfill the one not fulfilled at His first coming. They also reject him because their theology says the Messiah can't die. Isa 53 is clearly Messianic and it says He will die.

It is puzzling that they are His chosen people yet they reject Him completely.

 

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It is puzzling that they are His chosen people yet they reject Him completely.

That is because they reject the NT.

 

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That is because they reject the NT.

yes. That is true. I am not sure but I think they also reject a lot of the Old Testament.

 

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yes. That is true. I am not sure but I think they also reject a lot of the Old Testament.

The Jews are divided into several sects. Some reject parts of the OT, some do not.

 

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first, who in Judaism says the messiah won't die?
second, we reject non-Jewish readings of the Tanach. We don't reject the text.

 

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first, who in Judaism says the messiah won't die?

Many ofdthe Jews I have discussed this subject with over the years.

second, we reject non-Jewish readings of the Tanach. We don't reject the text.

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That's fine but it not a guarantee you are right. It is necessary to understand the NT to see some of the truths taught in the OT.

The new is in the old contained,
The old is in the new explained.

 

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Many ofdthe Jews I have discussed this subject with over the years.

And many of the Christians I have discussed this subject with over the years insist that Jesus only had 1 leg and was Muslim.

That's fine but it not a guarantee you are right. It is necessary to understand the NT to see some of the truths taught in the OT.

The new is in the old contained,
The old is in the new explained.

You missed the point. The claim was that Jews reject the "OT." The fact is, we don't, just what others say about it. So the claim is wrong. The question of whether the gospels and Christian theology are necessary is a separate one (one steeped in arrogance, but whatever).

 

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And many of the Christians I have discussed this subject with over the years insist that Jesus only had 1 leg and was Muslim.

Do you want to discuss the subject or just p;lay the fool

You missed the point. The claim was that Jews reject the "OT." The fact is, we don't, just what others say about it. So the claim is wrong.

You have your wires crossed,. I never made that statement.

]The question of whether the gospels and Christian theology are necessary is a separate one (one steeped in arrogance, but whatever).

The main arrogance is you saying we are all wrong and you are right.

 

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Do you want to discuss the subject or just p;lay the fool

It is as foolish as what you wrote. if you want to claim some mysterious and anonymous "Jewish" expert who told you something, I'll make a similar claim.

You have your wires crossed,. I never made that statement.

Really? In post 129, you wrote " Some [Jews] reject parts of the OT,". So did you say that some Jews reject parts of the text or not?

The main arrogance is you saying we are all wrong and you are right.

You said "It is necessary to understand the NT to see some of the truths taught in the OT." THis means that no one, before the gospels were written, could fully understand the Tanach text and no Jew who doesn't study the gospels truly knows his own text. And MY statement is arrogant?

 

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There is nothing more Jewish than accepting the Messiah Jesus.

Those physical Jew rejecting Jesus are totally cut off from God and living in delusion

Why should it surprise anyone that they rejected the Messiah with their record of rejecting God's prophets from Moses on down

Yet God loves them and seek their return as his prodigal sons and daughters

His bloodline isn't valid. It must be the father's side. Not the mother's. Joseph wasn't the father.

 

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His bloodline isn't valid. It must be the father's side. Not the mother's. Joseph wasn't the father.

What Scripture do you use to support that opinion?

According to the NT, the mother is important---Gal 4:30-31.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What Scripture do you use to support that opinion?

According to the NT, the mother is important---Gal 4:30-31.

From Aish.com

Descendant of David
Many prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)

The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father – and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. (1)

Why Jews Don't Believe In Jesus

 

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The Messiah had to be both born of a virgin and be of the line of David. Joseph marrying Mary and adopting Jesus made him legally of line of David.

 

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The Messiah had to be both born of a virgin and be of the line of David. Joseph marrying Mary and adopting Jesus made him legally of line of David.

Judaism does not recognize that "adoption" (which isn't really a thing in Judaism) by a man confers the tribal status of the man on the child.

 

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What is a "physical Jew"? My study Bibles don't have that term.

Good point.

By-the-way are we there, yet? I look forward to the end of this thread.

 

[Evie]

The Messiah had to be both born of a virgin and be of the line of David. Joseph marrying Mary and adopting Jesus made him legally of line of David.

There are those who, because of a desire to believe something, will find a way to explain away anything which challenges that belief.

 

[omega2xx]

From Aish.com

Descendant of David
Many prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)

The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father – and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. (1)

Why Jews Don't Believe In Jesus

Mat 1:1 - The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Mat 1:1 - The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Proves the point. There's no bloodline.