Jesus will return in 2030

[blü 2]

Why I believe Jesus will return no later than 2030.

Nah.

He said in all three synoptics that he'd be back ─ or at least that the Son of Man would be back, sometimes clearly meaning him, and sometimes clearly meaning someone else ─ and would set up God's Kingdom on earth within the lifetime of some of his listeners. See Mark 9:1, Mark 13:28, Matthew 10:23, Matthew 16:28, Matthew 24:32, Luke 9:27.

So if we make the leap and assume he was a man of his word, he's been back already, or his deputy the Son of Man has, and one way or another the Kingdom kicked off on earth just short of 2000 years (if we again assume, this time that the crucifixion took place in 30 CE or thereabouts).

Now, looking around, I don't particularly notice any Kingdom. Whole swathes of Earth are Buddhist, Hindu, Shinto, Muslim, even a few Rastas, and what they all seem to have in common is local appeal. Like, if you weren't born into it, you're not likely to sign up later.

So it looks like, move along folks, nothing Kingdomy to see here.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Like, if you weren't born into it, you're not likely to sign up later.

Well, even if they sign up, it does not change anything.

 

[Vinayaka]

It was either on this forum, or another one I was on where a person made such a prediction. When it didn't happen (and it never has) he/she stopped posting.

 

[Aupmanyav]

It was either on this forum, or another one I was on where a person made such a prediction. When it didn't happen (and it never has) he/she stopped posting.

Wise person. Some never understand.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Now, looking around, I don't particularly notice any Kingdom. Whole swathes of Earth are Buddhist, Hindu, Shinto, Muslim, even a few Rastas, and what they all seem to have in common is local appeal. Like, if you weren't born into it, you're not likely to sign up later.

Well, even if they sign up, it does not change anything.

I don't know. Apologetics or the doctrines of salvation are not my thing. I have hope for all people. Jesus said He has sheep in many folds.

"And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.​

And Joel 2:30-32 seems to speak about last minute salvation. Blood and fire and columns of smoke, whoever calls out on the name of the Lord gets saved.

“And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.​

The other group is said to blaspheme the name of God because of their pain and sores and will not repent.

"People gnawed their tongues in anguish and cursed the God of heaven for their pain and sores. They did not repent of their deeds.​

It's probably going to be something to see.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The other group is said to blaspheme the name of God because of their pain and sores and will not repent.

"People gnawed their tongues in anguish and cursed the God of heaven for their pain and sores. They did not repent of their deeds.​

It's probably going to be something to see.

I believe, there is nothing to see, no one to see. One's individuality gets extinguished the moment the person dies. Then what constituted the person is a part of environment.
Think of Chicken Masala Tikka, what constituted us is food for bugs.

 

[Trailblazer]

Many people have been predicting Jesus return for 2000 years.

Many people believed that Jesus was going to return and that is even in the NT.
However, Jesus never said that he was going to return to earth, not once in the New Testament.

I guess Christians either don't read the Bible or just choose to ignore what Jesus said.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

no more

nothing further.
"there was no more to be said about it"

no further.
"you must have some soup, but no more wine"

exist no longer.
"the patch of ground was overgrown and the hut was no more"

never again.
"mention his name no more to me"

neither.
"I had no complaints and no more did Tom"

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[Hooded_Crow]

Well it's just gone 8.30pm here in the UK and no sign of him yet.
I'll give him another 10 minutes. Maybe the traffic's bad.

 

[Trailblazer]

Well it's just gone 8.30pm here in the UK and no sign of him yet.
I'll give him another 10 minutes. Maybe the traffic's bad.

Maybe Jesus got caught up in the clouds on his way down.

 

[Trailblazer]

He said in all three synoptics that he'd be back ─ or at least that the Son of Man would be back, sometimes clearly meaning him, and sometimes clearly meaning someone else ─ and would set up God's Kingdom on earth within the lifetime of some of his listeners. See Mark 9:1, Mark 13:28, Matthew 10:23, Matthew 16:28, Matthew 24:32, Luke 9:27.

So if we make the leap and assume he was a man of his word, he's been back already, or his deputy the Son of Man has, and one way or another the Kingdom kicked off on earth just short of 2000 years (if we again assume, this time that the crucifixion took place in 30 CE or thereabouts).

Now, looking around, I don't particularly notice any Kingdom. Whole swathes of Earth are Buddhist, Hindu, Shinto, Muslim, even a few Rastas, and what they all seem to have in common is local appeal. Like, if you weren't born into it, you're not likely to sign up later.

So it looks like, move along folks, nothing Kingdomy to see here.

If you read the verses carefully, it becomes clear that the Son of man coming in the clouds is not Jesus.

Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man...

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I believe that the Son of man coming with the clouds means that the return of Christ will appear in the form of another human being. The term “clouds” as used in the Bible means those things that are contrary to the ways and desires of men. Just like the physical clouds prevent the eyes of men from beholding the sun, these things hindered men from recognizing the return of Christ.

In other words, the judgment of most people was clouded when Christ returned and it is still clouded for most people.
One thing that clouds the judgment of Christians is their desire for the same Jesus to return to earth.

Do you think that the Kingdom of God would be something that you would see, especially if you were not looking for it?
Do you think it would appear as soon as Christ returned?

Where in any scriptures does it say that the return of Christ would build the Kingdom?
I believe that Kingdom is being built by humans, but it is going to take a long time, it won't appear overnight.

 

[blü 2]

If you read the verses carefully, it becomes clear that the Son of man coming in the clouds is not Jesus.

Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man...

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Just so. As I said, in some places 'the Son of Man' appears to be Jesus, and in others 'the Son of Man' appears to be someone else. I understand that in Jewish politics of that period, the Apocalypse was expected, and the Son of Man was going to be Enoch, who as you'll recall didn't die, but went to heaven to be with God (Genesis 5:21).

Do you think that the Kingdom of God would be something that you would see, especially if you were not looking for it?
Do you think it would appear as soon as Christ returned?

Absolutely and unconditionally. I don't think he'd be so silly as to try it as a thief in the night (1 Thess 5:1).

Where in any scriptures does it say that the return of Christ would build the Kingdom?

It's part of the ambiguity as to the identity of the "Son of Man" eg

(Mark 8) 38 Those who are ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of them the Son of Man will also
be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”​

as against

(John 9) 35 Jesus heard that they had driven him out, and when he found him he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?” 36 He answered,
“And who is he, sir? Tell me, so that I may believe in him.” 37Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and the one speaking with you is he.”​

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you know how many predictions various Christians have made regarding Jesus' return? And with each failed prediction, Christians lose more and more credibility. But hey, if you want to contribute to that downward trend, far be it from me to stop you.

Well I guess you got to give Christians credit with over 2,000 years of failed predictions that didn't dampen their spirits any.

The rest of us gets to see a prime example of the definition of pure futility played out in real time.

 

[Trailblazer]

Absolutely and unconditionally. I don't think he'd be so silly as to try it as a thief in the night (1 Thess 5:1).

So if you think that the Kingdom of God would be something that you would see, and you think it would appear as soon as Christ returned, can you explain how you think the world would change overnight? Would Jesus just wave a magic wand and transform human nature and everything on earth?

 

[blü 2]

So if you think that the Kingdom of God would be something that you would see, and you think it would appear as soon as Christ returned, can you explain how you think the world would change overnight? Would Jesus just wave a magic wand and transform human nature and everything on earth?

Of course. The world would change overnight because God's magic had been applied to it, and the lame would walk, the dumb would speak, the stupid would smarten up, the arrogant would attain modesty, the ignorant would acquire and slake a thirst for information, the violent would put aside violence, the powerful would exercise power for the benefit of all, and ... they all lived happily ever after.

What else is magic for?

 

[Trailblazer]

Of course. The world would change overnight because God's magic had been applied to it, and the lame would walk, the dumb would speak, the stupid would smarten up, the arrogant would attain modesty, the ignorant would acquire and slake a thirst for information, the violent would put aside violence, the powerful would exercise power for the benefit of all, and ... they all lived happily ever after.

What else is magic for?

I don't believe in magic. I believe that humans will build the kingdom of God on earth, and that work has already begun.
I believe that humans will change for the better eventually but humans do not change overnight so it is going to take a long time to turn this ship around.

 

[John D. Brey]

Christians have been saying that for 2000 years.

. . . Have Jews simply given up on Messiah?



John

 

[blü 2]

I don't believe in magic. I believe that humans will build the kingdom of God on earth, and that work has already begun.
I believe that humans will change for the better eventually but humans do not change overnight so it is going to take a long time to turn this ship around.

Ahm, what use are gods if they lack magic? If they're not omnipotent? What distinguishes such beings from us?

 

[John D. Brey]

Ahm, what use are gods if they lack magic? If they're not omnipotent? What distinguishes such beings from us?

Omnipotence doesn't mean you can make a rock so big your omnipotence can't lift it. Which is to say divine power must function within reasonable or logical limits. Man's powers, functioning within the limits of the laws of the cosmos, look, in retrospect, almost indistinguishable from omnipotence. None of the ancient gods could have put Curiosity on Mars and sent back selfies.

. . . by any conceivable standard, humanity is far and away life's greatest achievement. We are the mind of the biosphere, the solar system, and---who can say? ----perhaps the galaxy. Looking about us, we have learned to translate into our narrow audiovisual systems the sensory modalities of other organisms. We know much of the physicochemical basis of our own biology. We will soon create simple organisms in the laboratory. We have learned the history of the universe and look out almost to its edge. . . except for behaving like apes much of the time and suffering genetically limited lifespans we are godlike.​

​

Edward O. Wilson, The Social Conquest of Earth, p. 288-289.​

John

 

[Trailblazer]

Ahm, what use are gods if they lack magic? If they're not omnipotent? What distinguishes such beings from us?

Omnipotence doesn't mean that God should do everything He can do and there is no reason for God to do what humans are capable of.

 

[blü 2]

Omnipotence doesn't mean you can make a rock so big your omnipotence can't lift it. Which is to say divine power must function within reasonable or logical limits.

No. Its ability to do the impossible is the sole test of whether the power is divine or not.