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Jesus's second coming

Muffled

Jesus in me
The bible says Jesus is going to come back to Earth all glorious and powerful,

the bible is wrong friend. (from a muslim perspective)
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but I think he might come back in a human form again.
yep, you said it

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Is it possible that Jesus will be reincarnated before the Apocalypse or will he appear like a ghost in the sky like the bible says?
THE BIBLE IS WRONG AGAIN. and which apocalypse is it reffering to anyway.

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(maybe he is on Earth right now as we speak)
no he's not.

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express your thought on the possibilities. (More of a what if question rather than a what not)
my thoughts are he will be brought back to earth by Allah, but not as a prophet just as a simple human this time, cos us muslims are tolled that Muhammed (saws) is the last prophet (ie. jesus (as) will not be sent as a prophet) and many scholars beleive that he will be sent back in palestine or jerusalem i think, is this good enough, or are you interested in the christian appinions only, if so sorry for commenting.
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This is why a Muslim can never find the Truth because muslims reject the truth of God and the Qu'ran.

He said it wrong. There is no maybe about it in the Bible and "He" should have been capitalized to denote that Jesus is God in the flesh.

The Apocalypse is a referential term for the Revelation of Jesus Christ auhtored by the Apostle John on the Island of Patmos.

You are a Muslim and wouldn't even have a clue because the Qu'ran doesn't tell you about it and you don't believe what God says in the Bible.

Obviously you wouldn't know God if you tripped over Him backwards.
 

S-word

Well-Known Member
The Kingdom of God can refer to the kingdom within us or the actual physical kingdom. The context here suggests the inner kingdom.

Mark 8:38 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of man also shall be ashamed of him, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

The church experienced the return of Jesus at Pentecost when power fell on the congregation and the members spoke in tongues.

As for the OP, Yes I believe Jesus is here now and there are references to His presence on earth. It is true that it doesn't have to be His resurrected body expecially if He were reborn. I wouldn't expect Him to reveal Himself until He is ready. He certainly was a complete unknown in His first visit until He started His ministry. You can't get much more obscure than a carpenter's son from the dinky and unimportant town of Nazareth. BTW I would say that He is in His thirties now which approximates His age when He started His ministry the first time.

It might be good to point out that the presence of Jesus also infers the presence of the Anti-Christ. Jews are still looking for the Messiah and Jesus predicted that they would accept the Anti--Christ as the Messiah. The real Jesus will remain obscure while the Anti-Christ reveals Himself.

You are correct, the kindom of God is within you the body of mankind. Behind the veil that hangs before the inner most sanctuary of your body, dwells the chosen heir the throne of Godhead from the previous world that was destroyed by water and mankind is the physical Kingdom of God. But mankind is not an eternal being, and he is likened to the tempory Tabernacle or tent in which dwells the Lord as he awaits the completion of the glorious and eternal Temple of light, of which Jesus is the cornerstone and the first fruits of they who are gathered in the formation of the new creation; the eternal Kingdom of God that will dwell on earth and gain dominion over all things visible and invisible.

The new creation in the eternal evolution of the mind that is God, which mind is made manifest in the physical creation. The glorious Body of light which flesh and blood cannot inherit, of which we have seen a glimpse, in the brilliant body of Light that blinded the eyes of Paul, from which body of Light, in answer to Paul's question, "Who are You," said, "I am Jesus of Nazareth.

See Luke 9: 27. When Jesus said, "I assure you that there are some here who will not die untill they have seen the kingdom of God," he was speaking only to the chosen 12: accordingly, six day later three of them saw his body translated as he spoke on the mountain with the glorified beings, Moses and Elijah.
 
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Gharib

I want Khilafah back
jeeeeeez take it easy, whats with the tone. calm down ok. let off some steam :slap:

This is why a Muslim can never find the Truth because muslims reject the truth of God and the Qu'ran.

muslims reject the truth of god and the quran? weren't muslims bassing their beleif in god and the quran? i think you've got your facts wrong.


He said it wrong. There is no maybe about it in the Bible and "He" should have been capitalized to denote that Jesus is God in the flesh.

not according to the Quran.

The Apocalypse is a referential term for the Revelation of Jesus Christ auhtored by the Apostle John on the Island of Patmos.

just a quick question; did jesus or GOD as to your views, ever speak to this apostle named John?


You are a Muslim and wouldn't even have a clue because the Qu'ran doesn't tell you about it and you don't believe what God says in the Bible.

i don't have a clue? go ask any muslims about Jesuses' comming, see what they tell you. and how did you come to a conclussion that muslims do not beleive in the bible? we do beleive in the Injeel, but not the bible, the bible has man added info in it, we do have to beleive in it though, but we do not actually beleive most of the stuff there. i hope you understand what i'm saying


Obviously you wouldn't know God if you tripped over Him backwards.

how can a human get tripped over god, see you do not beleive in god, nor what the bible says. if you did beleive in the 2 then you would know that god doesn't creep up behind us, he has no need to get his hands dirty with you or me.
 

S-word

Well-Known Member
Greetings! :)
No, but both Daniel and Revelation did!

Peace, :)

Bruce

Daniel spoke of the great tribulation as did Jesus, who said, "When you see the armies camped around Jerusalem, then know that end of this system of governments as depicted in the great statue in Nebuchadneszzar's dream, is at an end.

Before the ruling body of Christ takes the thrones that have been prepared for them, the one who prepares the way for the peaceful rule of his chosen multi-celled son must appear. For just like David the King of blood who brought all the surrounding nations into subjection for the peaceful rule of his son, of who the Lord Almighty said, "I shall be his Father and he shall be my son," and it was he who would build the Temple which would be filled with dazzling light of the Lords presence.

Malachi 3: 1-2, The Lord Almighty answers, I will send my messenger to prepare the way for me. Then the Lord you are looking for will suddenly come to his temple. Tthe messenger you long to see will come and proclaim my covenant."

But who will be able to endure the day when he comes? Who will be able to survive when he appears? He will be like strong soap, like a fire that refines metal." It is Elijah, the prophet of fire who was carried up to Enoch who is the one who comes to prepare the way for the Lord. And it is Elijah who destroyed all the prophets of Baal, who would dare to worship the immortal God in the image of a man.
 
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S-word

Well-Known Member
Numbers 24: 17, “A king, like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his property. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors.”

Isaiah 63: 1-6, “Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?” It is the Lord, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. “Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?”
The Lord answers, “I have trampled the nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I decided that the time to save my people had come; it was time to punish their enemies, I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them, I poured out their life’s blood on the earth.”

O! You shepherd of the darkness who claims God sent You out
And even though we know that’s true, that fact I wouldn’t flout
For God commanded Zechariah, “Throw my wages ‘cross the floor,
Those thirty bits of silver, for I’ll guide this flock no more
A worthless shepherd now I’ll raise to guide this stubborn flock
And he will be a useless one, of him I’ll take no stock
For he’ll not feed my little ones, nor search for them that’s lost
But he eats the meat of the fattest sheep. And their hoofs? He tears them off
That worthless shepherd, he is doomed for abandoning my flock
His power, will I destroy by war, his arm will wither dry, then drop
And his right eye will I turn Blind, that’s why he’s never seen
The passage where I speak of him, Zechariah eleven—twelve to seventeen.

Zechariah 13: 7, The Lord Almighty says, “Wake up Sword, and attack the shepherd who works for me! Kill him.


It will be on that great day of tribulation that the Lord gathers all the nations around Jerusalem, Zechariah 12: 10, and they will look upon me and see the one who they pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child etc.

The Lord will come to fight for his people Israel as he has fought in times past and from within the inner most sanctuary of his tabernacle which is the body of mankind, he will fight the enemies of Israel; those Nations who surround Jerusalem in their attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea. The Lord will throw them into a state of total confusion, and the weapons of destruction with which they would destroy Israel, he will cause them to turn upon their own allies and they shall suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh cooked to the bone will slide from their bodies while still standing.

Then all the surviving Nations will go up each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship the Lord as King and woe betide those who refuse to do so, See Zechariah 14.

Yes, Christ will return.
 

herushura

Active Member
Numbers 24: 17, “A king, like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his property. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors.”
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Numbers 24: 17 - King David
2 Samuel 8:2
David defeated the Moabites + Edom

Why do people falsely connect old testements with the New testements
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Yes. Some of Jesus' followers would live to see his return. When he returned, he would reward every man according to his works (not according to his faith).

If faith without works is dead. What is works without faith?

Heneni
 

S-word

Well-Known Member
Quote...herushura...Numbers 24: 17 - King David
2 Samuel 8:2
David defeated the Moabites + Edom


Yea, so did Saul, but neither fulfill the prophecy in Numbers 24: 17, “He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his property. While Israel continues victorious. The nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors.
If David had fulfilled this prophecy, why would Isaiah speak of a future event when the Lord would become the victor over the nations who are the enemies of his chosen people.

Isaiah 63:1-6, “Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?” It is the Lord, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. “Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who trample grapes to make wine?” The Lord answers, “I have trampled the nations like grapes’ and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing.
I decided (Said the Jewish Messiah) that the time to save my people had come; it was time to punish their enemies, I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole Nations and shattered them, I poured out their life’s blood on the earth.”

Quote...herushura...Why do people falsely connect old testements with the New testements
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, is he who gave his name to Moses as “I Am Who I Am“ and in acts 3: 13, it is said that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, has given divine glory to his servant Jesus, and it was ‘I Am Who I Am” who said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18: 18, “I will send them a prophet Just like you from among their own people: I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything I command. He will speak in my name etc.”

See John 8: 28, where Jesus says, “when you lift up the Son of Man, you will know that I Am Who I Am,” but these were not the words of Jesus who spoke in the name of The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whose name is “I Am Who I Am,” as Jesus himself verifies in the next verse, “Then you will know I do nothing on my own authority, But I say only what the Father has instructed me to say.”

What ever words were spoken by Jesus, were not his words, but the words of our father who raised Jesus from death as the first fruits, the first of many brothers who are gathered as the New glorious Temple of God which will dwell on earth among mankind.


It is in his brilliant Temple of light that the Lord will rule all things, See Acts 17: 31, For He, (The Lord, Who I Am,) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with Justice by means of a man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that man from death."


Are you saying that the prophecy in Deuteronomy was not fulfilled in Jesus of the New Testament?

Psalms 118: 26, May God bless the one who comes in the name of the Lord.


Psalms 110: 4, “You will be a priest forever in the line of succession to Melchizedek.”


Psalms 91: 12, “They will hold you up with their hands to keep you from hurting your feet on the stones.


Psalms, 51: 5, “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me.


Psalms 22:18, They gamble for my clothes and divide them among themselves, etc, etc, etc.


Paul speaking before the New Testament was even thought of, in Romans 10: 13, says “As the scripture says, (The Old Testament Joel 2: 32) “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

And in your ignorance you ask, “Why do people falsely connect Old Testament scriptures, with that of the New Testament.”
 
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Muffled

Jesus in me
jeeeeeez take it easy, whats with the tone. calm down ok. let off some steam :slap:

muslims reject the truth of god and the quran? weren't muslims bassing their beleif in god and the quran? i think you've got your facts wrong.


not according to the Quran.



just a quick question; did jesus or GOD as to your views, ever speak to this apostle named John?




i don't have a clue? go ask any muslims about Jesuses' comming, see what they tell you. and how did you come to a conclussion that muslims do not beleive in the bible? we do beleive in the Injeel, but not the bible, the bible has man added info in it, we do have to beleive in it though, but we do not actually beleive most of the stuff there. i hope you understand what i'm saying




how can a human get tripped over god, see you do not beleive in god, nor what the bible says. if you did beleive in the 2 then you would know that god doesn't creep up behind us, he has no need to get his hands dirty with you or me.

I love you brother. Yes I went into shock myself. God doesn't usually load up on people so much.

We have the same facts and the same God. The difference is that Christians have the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth.

I will grant that the Qu'ran doesn't have as much information about Jesus as the Bible but the information is there for those who have the eyes to see it.

Every Christian has the ability to hear Jesus through the Holy Spirit, so the answer is yes.

Rev 1:1 ¶ The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;

I understand what you are saying better than you do.

Your conclusion does not follow from the premise especially since it doesn't have any logic to get from the premise to the conclusion. God's visitations are always unexpected. I think the most notable is the apostle Paul trundling on His way when all of a sudden Jesus appears. He definitely wasn't expecting that to happen. So you worship a god of cleanliness; I think my wife worships the same god, lol:thud:
 

S-word

Well-Known Member
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We have the same facts and the same God. The difference is that Christians have the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth.

Acts 7, Stephen, a Greek speaking Jew who is said to have been filled with the Holy Spirit, had been dragged before the Jewish authorities by Saul, in defence of his faith before being stoned to death, Stephen stated in acts 7: 4, that it was after Terah had died that his son Abraham obeyed God’s command and went to live in the land of Canaan. But the record in Genesis makes it plain that after Terah had turned 70 not 75 or 80, he became the father of Abraham, Nahor and Haran, and that Abraham was 75 when he travelled to Canaan and that his father died 60 years later at the age of 205.

Stephen also states in Acts 7: 15-17, that Abraham bought the grave plot in the land of Shechem from Hamor, whereas Genesis shows that Abraham bought the grave site from Ephron the Hittite at Machpeleh east of Mamre, which is way to the south of Shechem. It is also said by Stephen in the same verse, that Jacob and his sons were buried at Shechem, when in fact, it was only the remains of Joseph which was buried there, see Joshua 24: 32.

Jacob and his other sons were buried at Mamre and concerning the buriel of Jacob, it is written in Genesis 50: 13, “They carried the body of Jacob to Canaan and buried it in the cave at Machpelah east of Mamre in the field which Abraham had bought from Ephron the Hittite.” How many people have we heard or who have written the erroneous statement of Stephen, that it was after his father had died that Abraham Journeyed into the land of Canaan? Just because something is stated in scripture by someone who is said to be filled with the Holy Spirit, some people take it to be the gospel truth without checking it out .

Stephen was neither a teacher nor a preacher, but was a newly converted Greek speaking Jew, and because the widows of this group were being neglected in the daily distribution of funds, he with six others were chosen to handle the finances, and although he was filled with the Holy Spirit, he did not speak the truth because he did not know the truth, for knowing the truth has nothing to do with the blessings of the Holy Spirit.

The world is filled with wonderful people who are a blessing to the communities in which they live, and who are ignorant to the truth of God’s word, (Blessed are they who do not see, and yet believe) these people are not filled with knowledge, but they are filled with the love and the power of the holy Spirit.
 
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Gharib

I want Khilafah back
I love you brother. Yes I went into shock myself. God doesn't usually load up on people so much.

lets just keep the loving to a minimum ok.:cool:


We have the same facts and the same God. The difference is that Christians have the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth.

the holy spirit meaning the angel gabriel right?


I will grant that the Qu'ran doesn't have as much information about Jesus as the Bible but the information is there for those who have the eyes to see it.

now we're getting somewhere.


Every Christian has the ability to hear Jesus through the Holy Spirit, so the answer is yes.

the holy spirit is gabriel right?


Rev 1:1 ¶ The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;

one little thing about this. "god gave him" so if jesus is god (according to christianity) then why would god have to give jesus anything, you cannot give something to your self for you already have it.


I understand what you are saying better than you do.

how can you understand this better than me?

Your conclusion does not follow from the premise especially since it doesn't have any logic to get from the premise to the conclusion.


whats this sentence about, i don't understand it.

God's visitations are always unexpected.

but god would never visit his creation on earth. no need to, he has the angels and the prophets or the apostals, i don't see why god would ever visit earth, he already knows everything.

I think the most notable is the apostle Paul trundling on His way when all of a sudden Jesus appears. He definitely wasn't expecting that to happen.

is this when he was given life for the second time or a different time?

So you worship a god of cleanliness; I think my wife worships the same god, lol:thud:

she doesn't beleive that god would come to earth?
 

S-word

Well-Known Member
lets just keep the loving to a minimum ok.:cool:
the holy spirit meaning the angel gabriel right?




now we're getting somewhere.




the holy spirit is gabriel right?




one little thing about this. "god gave him" so if jesus is god (according to christianity) then why would god have to give jesus anything, you cannot give something to your self for you already have it.




how can you understand this better than me?



whats this sentence about, i don't understand it.



but god would never visit his creation on earth. no need to, he has the angels and the prophets or the apostals, i don't see why god would ever visit earth, he already knows everything.



is this when he was given life for the second time or a different time?



she doesn't beleive that god would come to earth?

quote...eselam...the holy spirit is gabriel right?

Wrong, But this thread is not about the Holy Spirit, but rather when does Jesus the faithful servant to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jabob, return to earth.


The cosmic cloud of invisible shimmering waves, which is the mind that is the impersonal God who showers his blessings on the righteous and the wicked alike, and sends his disasters on the righteous and the wicked alike, which cloud-like mind is perceived through our physical senses as the visible cosmos, and is the invisible dimension that co-exist within the visible world and yet the two are one. This God does not come down to the earth, indeed cannot.


Within the shimmering cloud that is the mind that is God, are swirling individual patterns of waves, that are perceived through the physical senses as the individual universal components, and the Most High and most intricate of these those swirling patterns is the godhead or supreme personality that has developed within the Great Cosmic Cloud.


It is the Light of Man, the expanding cloud of information that is gathered through the physical senses of the body of mankind, which body is the Lord of physical creatures and the most high in the physical manifestation of the greater mind that is God the Father of all, and he "Adam=mankind," is the only begotten Son of the Living Mind, see Luke 3: 38.


The Most High who dwells in the inner dimension that co-exists in the body of mankind, is the Light of Man who is the Son of God, and He is the indwelling God in the inner most sanctuary of the body of mankind, (It is he , if we are in tune with the inner voice, who leads us into the blessings sent by his Father, and warns us of any impending disasters)


And it was HE who revealed himself through his earthly image, the man Jesus who was his obedient servant, having learned through suffering to be obedient to his inner self, and who did, nor said anything other than that which he was commanded, by He who was in the beginning with God, and has become "Who I Am."


Jesus the obedient servant of God's only begotten son: Jesus, who was the first fruits to be chosen from the body of mankind in the creation of the new glorious body of light which flesh and blood cannot inherit, in which our God (The spirit which has developed within the body of mankind) will dwell on earth, among mankind and not within, will return with all those who received a share of the hidden Manna, a share of the immortal body of the only exception of all mankind to have ascended into the eighth eternal heaven, which was torn asunder and poured out as fire on all those who believed his words as spoken through his obedient servant Jesus, to whom has been given divine glory, by being placed in his heavenly throne as the Lord and Head to the new body that is being created in the inner dimension by the gathering of all the spirits who fall asleep in righteousness and are gathered to all those who had received their share of the hidden manna, and in their spiritual existence now live as God the greatest Gatherer lives.

Woops! I've sent the Post prematurely, meant to save it as I'm running out of computer time, but never mind, I'll get back later and finish it.
 
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Muffled

Jesus in me
lets just keep the loving to a minimum ok.:cool:


the holy spirit meaning the angel gabriel right?



now we're getting somewhere.



one little thing about this. "god gave him" so if jesus is god (according to christianity) then why would god have to give jesus anything, you cannot give something to your self for you already have it.




how can you understand this better than me?



whats this sentence about, i don't understand it.



but god would never visit his creation on earth. no need to, he has the angels and the prophets or the apostals, i don't see why god would ever visit earth, he already knows everything.



is this when he was given life for the second time or a different time?



she doesn't beleive that god would come to earth?

No. Gabriel as an archangel is holy enough and as an angel can manifest his spirit in the flesh but the term "Holy Spirit" is used in the New Testament of the Bible as a synonymn for the Paraclete which I define as the Spirit of God joined to believers.

Authority is vested in the name of Jesus even though it is another name for God. That same authority could come from the name Jehovah but God decided it should come from the name Jesus for the purpose of a revelation to His church.

The Paraclete gives me a better understanding.

It means your statement was totally illogical.

Where do you find evidence for your statement other than your own insufficient thinking?

God is everywhere. Jesus can be in His body and with Paul at the same time.

I haven't asked her. She is not a theologian but simply accepts Jesus by faith.
However she is a clean freak. I remember a story of God telling a prophet to muddy up his girdle (underwear) and show it to the people. There is an old yankee saying that cleanliness is next to godliness but that is not a statement that cleanliness is godliness. However there are references using worldly cleanliness as a metaphor for spiritual cleanliness but Jesus made it clear that it is a metaphor and that worldly cleanliness is not the same thing as spiritual cleanliness.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
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We have the same facts and the same God. The difference is that Christians have the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth.

Acts 7, Stephen, a Greek speaking Jew who is said to have been filled with the Holy Spirit, had been dragged before the Jewish authorities by Saul, in defence of his faith before being stoned to death, Stephen stated in acts 7: 4, that it was after Terah had died that his son Abraham obeyed God’s command and went to live in the land of Canaan. But the record in Genesis makes it plain that after Terah had turned 70 not 75 or 80, he became the father of Abraham, Nahor and Haran, and that Abraham was 75 when he travelled to Canaan and that his father died 60 years later at the age of 205.

Stephen also states in Acts 7: 15-17, that Abraham bought the grave plot in the land of Shechem from Hamor, whereas Genesis shows that Abraham bought the grave site from Ephron the Hittite at Machpeleh east of Mamre, which is way to the south of Shechem. It is also said by Stephen in the same verse, that Jacob and his sons were buried at Shechem, when in fact, it was only the remains of Joseph which was buried there, see Joshua 24: 32.

Jacob and his other sons were buried at Mamre and concerning the buriel of Jacob, it is written in Genesis 50: 13, “They carried the body of Jacob to Canaan and buried it in the cave at Machpelah east of Mamre in the field which Abraham had bought from Ephron the Hittite.” How many people have we heard or who have written the erroneous statement of Stephen, that it was after his father had died that Abraham Journeyed into the land of Canaan? Just because something is stated in scripture by someone who is said to be filled with the Holy Spirit, some people take it to be the gospel truth without checking it out .

Stephen was neither a teacher nor a preacher, but was a newly converted Greek speaking Jew, and because the widows of this group were being neglected in the daily distribution of funds, he with six others were chosen to handle the finances, and although he was filled with the Holy Spirit, he did not speak the truth because he did not know the truth, for knowing the truth has nothing to do with the blessings of the Holy Spirit.

The world is filled with wonderful people who are a blessing to the communities in which they live, and who are ignorant to the truth of God’s word, (Blessed are they who do not see, and yet believe) these people are not filled with knowledge, but they are filled with the love and the power of the holy Spirit.

This is evidence that you don't have the Holy Spirit leading you or He would have revealed to you that Stephen spoke the truth.

However that does not necessarily mean that you don't have the holy Spirit because He isn't obligated to correct our misapprehensions. Neither am I, LOL.
 

S-word

Well-Known Member
This is evidence that you don't have the Holy Spirit leading you or He would have revealed to you that Stephen spoke the truth.


So you believe that Stephen spoke the truth do you?

You believe Stephen's statement in Acts 7: 4, that it was after the death of his father 'Terah' that Abraham went into the land of Canaan, which is in contradiction to the scriptures which show that Abraham who was born when 'Terah' was 70, left, when he was 75, the town of Haran in which his father lived until the the age of 205, see Genesis 11: 32.

You believe Stephens statement in Acts 7: 15-16, that Jacob and all his sons were buried in Shechem, and that Abraham had brought that land in Shechem as a grave site from Hamor; which again is in contradiction to the scriptures which show in Genesis 50: 12, that the body of Jacob was carried to Canaan and buried in the grave at Machpelah east of Mamre, the grave site that Abraham had brought from Ephron the Hittite.

If you say that the the spirit within you has revealed that Stephen spoke the truth, then the spirit by who you are guided is not the Holy Spirit, but the spirit of the father of all lies.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
This is evidence that you don't have the Holy Spirit leading you or He would have revealed to you that Stephen spoke the truth.


So you believe that Stephen spoke the truth do you?

You believe Stephen's statement in Acts 7: 4, that it was after the death of his father 'Terah' that Abraham went into the land of Canaan, which is in contradiction to the scriptures which show that Abraham who was born when 'Terah' was 70, left, when he was 75, the town of Haran in which his father lived until the the age of 205, see Genesis 11: 32.

You believe Stephens statement in Acts 7: 15-16, that Jacob and all his sons were buried in Shechem, and that Abraham had brought that land in Shechem as a grave site from Hamor; which again is in contradiction to the scriptures which show in Genesis 50: 12, that the body of Jacob was carried to Canaan and buried in the grave at Machpelah east of Mamre, the grave site that Abraham had brought from Ephron the Hittite.

If you say that the the spirit within you has revealed that Stephen spoke the truth, then the spirit by who you are guided is not the Holy Spirit, but the spirit of the father of all lies.

In the first instance which is the only one that I looked at, yes.

I know what spirit I am of, and the truth. You do not have the truth even though you have convinced yourself that you do. Everyone thinks they have the truth in their own mind but I do not have my own mind but I have the mind of God. As I said before, I will not reveal this truth to you. You will either have to find it for yourself or ask God to guide you to it.
 

BruceDLimber

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The Apocalypse is a referential term for the Revelation of Jesus Christ auhtored by the Apostle John on the Island of Patmos.

In fact, "apocalypse" is simply a synonym for "revelation": very simply, the same word meaning.

Peace,

Bruce
 
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