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Jewish Afterlife

rosends

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No, you see the words "raised my hand" and "land" = promised land.
You said that the movie "has a jewish reference in the title. promised land is a specific jewish concept from torah." And yet you can't find it in the torah. So now, the movie would have to be named "the land concerning which I raised my hand". I checked IMDB. It isn't called that and for you to decide that "raised my hand" equals "promise" is just you twisting words.
 

rosends

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"promised land" is also the translation of "raised hand" in the bible.
according to whom? No translation I have ever seen. Here is the Hebrew...have at it

אֶל-הָאָרֶץ, אֲשֶׁר נָשָׂאתִי אֶת-יָדִי, לָתֵת אֹתָהּ
 

chevron1

Active Member
"promised land" is also the translation of "raised hand" in the bible.

according to whom? No translation I have ever seen. Here is the Hebrew...have at it

"raised hand" is just like swearing in a court of law. do you think that the jewish god understood that which is why we translate "raised land" as "promise" because it is a promise to the god that you have made. therefore, "raised hand" + land of milk and honey = promised land.
 

rosends

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"raised hand" is just like swearing in a court of law. do you think that the jewish god understood that which is why we translate "raised land" as "promise" because it is a promise to the god that you have made. therefore, "raised hand" + land of milk and honey = promised land.
So now, your claim is that any time the text uses the phrase "raised hand" it means a "promise" because God foresaw the American court system?
Samuel 2, 20:21
Isaiah 49:22
Psalms 106:26 and 10:12
all over Ezekiel...

and that's just a quick look. There are a bunch more.

And FTR, we don't translate "raised hand" as "promise" -- YOU do, because you have to and because you don't translate very well.
 

chevron1

Active Member
So now, your claim is that any time the text uses the phrase "raised hand" it means a "promise" because God foresaw the American court system?
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And FTR, we don't translate "raised hand" as "promise" -- YOU do, because you have to and because you don't translate very well.

the phrase does mean promise and god foresaw the american court system, because that is his power.

not only do i translate "raised hand" as "promise" so do all american lawyers.
 

rosends

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the phrase does mean promise and god foresaw the american court system, because that is his power.

not only do i translate "raised hand" as "promise" so do all american lawyers.
So all the other examples I posted must also mean promise, right? You should read them before you answer...
 

rosends

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the other examples are not about satan in promised land.
the one you mentioned doesn't mention satan, and your argument was that the phrase "raise hand" MEANS "promised." Now you have to backtrack and say "only sometimes"?
 

Norman

Defender of Truth
Hey there.

I am very much familiar with Islamic and Christian theology having studied it intensely on and off for three years.

Recently I decided to teach myself the Hebrew Alphabet and now I am interested in getting to know what Jews believe.

Are there any Jewish members in here?

I am thinking of questions like these:

What do you believe about the afterlife?
Is there anything that could be considered equate to Hell?
Are there different degrees of rewards?
Is it physical?
Will non-Jews be there and if yes, why then be Jewish?
Will I get to eat chocolate there (kidding).

Thanks a lot and sorry for the bad English.

Norman: Hi Jakob, this really should be addressed at Judaism DIR
 

chevron1

Active Member
the one you mentioned doesn't mention satan, and your argument was that the phrase "raise hand" MEANS "promised." Now you have to backtrack and say "only sometimes"?

this is the only place where "promised land" is the only the land that matters when there are no other options for being whole and complete in the world of our minds.

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rosends

Well-Known Member
this is the only place where "promised land" is the only the land that matters when there are no other options for being whole and complete in the world of our minds.

promised_land_alice.jpg
IOW, this is the case you need it to mean that, and not the others, you decide that it means this only here. This is another reason why this is not about anything Jewish, but about our own personal thoughts about things.
 

chevron1

Active Member
IOW, this is the case you need it to mean that, and not the others, you decide that it means this only here. This is another reason why this is not about anything Jewish, but about our own personal thoughts about things.

it is all about jewish because you refuse to acknowledge it that i have to let you know how jewish it is. if you acknowledge what is reasonable to acknowledge, then i can be as straightforward as you.

isaiah 53: “for he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground… and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

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rosends

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it is all about jewish because you refuse to acknowledge it that i have to let you know how jewish it is. if you acknowledge what is reasonable to acknowledge, then i can be as straightforward as you.
You are running in circles. You ask what Judaism says, and when you find out it says something different, you insist that what you are presenting is Jewish because you have insisted that it is Jewish. Your ideas aren't Jewish, your translation is erroneous, and nothing you say is related to Judaism. If you acknowledge that, then you might be able to learn something.
 

chevron1

Active Member
You are running in circles. You ask what Judaism says, and when you find out it says something different, you insist that what you are presenting is Jewish because you have insisted that it is Jewish. Your ideas aren't Jewish, your translation is erroneous, and nothing you say is related to Judaism. If you acknowledge that, then you might be able to learn something.

the translation is erroneous? it's from the printed bible. it can't be erroneous.

baphomet ( בפומת ), satan's sabbatic goat, is a union of samuel and lilith, of man and demon.



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