Jewish Messiah

[Ebionite]

That is not exactly accurate. See, e.g., Mashiach ben Yossef and Messiah ben Joseph.

In view of the divergent Midrashim and interpretations on this subject it is practically impossible to present a more definitive synopsis that would go far beyond the above. Thus it is wisest to cite and follow R. Chasdai Crescas who states that "no certain knowledge can be derived from the interpretations of the prophecies about Mashiach ben Yossef, nor from the statements about him by some of the Geonim;" there is no point, therefore, in elaborating on the subject.20

Attempting to own the interpretation is one of the defining characteristics of religionists.

Knowledge of the righteous servant is associated with the messianic texts.

He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isaiah 53:11

 

[CG Didymus]

That is not exactly accurate. See, e.g., Mashiach ben Yossef and Messiah ben Joseph.

Aren’t the Jewish people awaiting two messiahs? Messiah Ben Joseph and Messiah Ben David? Which one is to establish peace or both?

There's your opening. How do you Baha'is tie this in with your two prophets? Knowing that Christians could also use it as being John the Baptist and Jesus. Whereas Baha'is have to make it refer to both John the Baptist and Jesus and the Bab and Baha'u'llah and also fit Muhammad in there somehow.

And could you address how your prophets could be these two "Messiahs" when they both came from Persia and neither of them ever set foot in Jerusalem.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Attempting to own the interpretation is one of the defining characteristics of religionists.

Were you quoting me for some coherent reason you'd like share?

 

[Ebionite]

Were you quoting me for some coherent reason you'd like share?

Yes, but you're not part of my target audience.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Yes, but you're not part of my target audience.

^ cute

 

[loverofhumanity]

There's your opening. How do you Baha'is tie this in with your two prophets? Knowing that Christians could also use it as being John the Baptist and Jesus. Whereas Baha'is have to make it refer to both John the Baptist and Jesus and the Bab and Baha'u'llah and also fit Muhammad in there somehow.

And could you address how your prophets could be these two "Messiahs" when they both came from Persia and neither of them ever set foot in Jerusalem.

Many Prophets are mentioned in the Bible in many different passages but people understand them differently.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

That is not exactly accurate. See, e.g., Mashiach ben Yossef and Messiah ben Joseph.

Please tell me what movement in Judaism teaches these ideas today. Thanks.

 

[paarsurrey]

Jewish Messiah

They just missed the bus with the result they are still waiting for their Messiah, and none is going to come till doomsday, please, right?
Yes, they rejected the truthful Israelite Messiah- Yeshua son of Maryam aka Mary.

Right?

Regards

 

[Ebionite]

Yes, they rejected the truthful Israelite Messiah- Yeshua son of Maryam aka Mary.

It goes back to the violence of the Pharisees.

Though many Jews had been seduced by the virtues of Hellenism, the extreme measures adopted by Antiochus helped unite the people. When a Greek official tried to force a priest named Mattathias to make a sacrifice to a pagan god, the Jew murdered the man. Predictably, Antiochus began reprisals, but in 167 BCE the Jews rose up behind Mattathias and his five sons and fought for their liberation.

The family of Mattathias became known as the Maccabees, from the Hebrew word for "hammer," because they were said to strike hammer blows against their enemies. Jews refer to the Maccabees, but the family is more commonly known as the Hasmoneans.​

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Before the Hasmonean revolt against the Greeks they were Pharisees and revolted against the Greeks because of their attempts at Hellenizing the Jews. However, later they refused to relinquish the Kingship as required since they were Kohanim and not from the tribe of Yehudah. At that time many of them became Sadducees as the Sadducees were in opposition to the Sanhedrin which was in the control of the Pharisees.

Were the Maccabees Zealots, Pharisees, or Sadducees?

Answer (1 of 7): ummm - zealous hasmoneans? They were about a century before that kind of ‘split’. At any rate, the Hasmoneans were priests, and the priests were the Sadducees - very focused (therefore, and we see that in the Hasmonean uprising) on the Temple and ‘proper’ methods of worship. Bu...

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Because thou hast spoiled many nations, all the remnant of the people shall spoil thee; because of men's blood, and [for] the violence of the land, of the city, and of all that dwell therein.
Habakkuk 2:8