Jews and Gentiles

[arthra]

So, if they intended to be under the Abrahamic covenant, did they circumcise themselves? I'm pretty sure that was a major factor in the covenant.

Jews and Muslims circumcise... but not so much among Christians unless for ostensible health reasons.

Baha'is also are not required to circumcise..

- Art

 

[roberto]

Gen 17:4. "As for Me, behold My covenant is with you, and you shall become the father of a multitude of nations.

Gen 17:6. And I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make you into nations, and kings will emerge from you.

Gen 26:4 I will multiply your seed as the stars of the sky, and will give to your seed all these lands. In your seed will all the nations of the earth be blessed,

If these verses are true/correct, then what have Jews in common with Abraham ? I mean, when the Jews refer to "the Nations"/Goi they exclude themselves from us.

Huh ?:yes:

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[F0uad]

The final prophet of Islam is Mohammed(saws) who came from Ishmael(p) who was the son of Abraham(p). Yes muslims are circumcised and muslims do uphold many of the laws, muslims also belief in all Jewish prophets/messengers send before Mohammed(saws).

The Difference between a Jew and Muslim by major importance are that Muslims belief in the prophet/messenger/messiah Jesus(p), Mohammed(saws) and in the Quran.

The Difference between a Christian and Muslim by major importance is that the Christians reject Mohammed(saws) as a prophet/messenger and the Quran, most of the Christians also have a different concept of god (trinity) and belief that Salvation is in the crucifixion.


This can sound insulting but i think Islam is closer to Judaism in its teachings then Christianity.

 

[roberto]

The final prophet of Islam is Mohammed(saws) who came from Ishmael(p) who was the son of Abraham(p). Yes muslims are circumcised and muslims do uphold many of the laws, muslims also belief in all Jewish prophets/messengers send before Mohammed(saws).

The Difference between a Jew and Muslim by major importance are that Muslims belief in the prophet/messenger/messiah Jesus(p), Mohammed(saws) and in the Quran.

The Difference between a Christian and Muslim by major importance is that the Christians reject Mohammed(saws) as a prophet/messenger and the Quran, most of the Christians also have a different concept of god (trinity) and belief that Salvation is in the crucifixion.


This can sound insulting but i think Islam is closer to Judaism in its teachings then Christianity.

This can sound insulting F0uad but why on earth would you guys want to be close to Judaism ? Do you study/believe in the Talmud as do yehudaism?
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[F0uad]

This can sound insulting F0uad but why on earth would you guys want to be close to Judaism ? Do you study/believe in the Talmud as do yehudaism?
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Muslims do not want to be close with ''Judaism'' it just is in my opinion. I think the reason for this is that the revelation of Mousa(p) was preserved better by the Jews then the Christians who ''preserved'' the revelation of Esha/Jesus(p). The Talmud is not considered as a revelation to Mousa(p) but only the Torah however it can have Oral-traditions that are preserved from the time of Mousa(p).

I belief for example that Jews are Monotheistic in there teachings but Christians aren't and i also belief that the teachings of the Prophets/Messengers was pure Monotheism.

 

[roberto]

Muslims do not want to be close with ''Judaism'' it just is in my opinion. I think the reason for this is that the revelation of Mousa(p) was preserved better by the Jews then the Christians who ''preserved'' the revelation of Esha/Jesus(p). The Talmud is not considered as a revelation to Mousa(p) but only the Torah however it can have Oral-traditions that are preserved from the time of Mousa(p).

I belief for example that Jews are Monotheistic in there teachings but Christians aren't and i also belief that the teachings of the Prophets/Messengers was pure Monotheism.

Peace be with you my brother and may you find the answers you are looking for.
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[Pegg]

There has been a lot of bad history, and there is this fallacy now that Judaism and Christianity are completely different religions. But the truth is that Judaism is a religion that believes in Jehovah and that they are His chosen people. Christianity is the revelation that the Jewish race was a vehicle for the salvation of ALL people, including Jews. Both religions believe in Jehovah.

The Old Testament: God's covenant with the Jews
The New Testament: The fulfillment of that covenant/the new covenant for both Jews and Gentiles

Obviously, Jesus's disciples were Jews. Jesus himself was a Jew. So, even though there has been hatred of Jews in the past, Christianity and Judaism are actually brothers who should each accept the other.

but most christians worship Jesus and claim him to be God...that is idolatry to a Jew, and rightly so.

 

[Nakosis]

but most christians worship Jesus and claim him to be God...that is idolatry to a Jew, and rightly so.

Just point out the OP was four years ago. It was resurrected.

I think the fallacy is that there was any unity among Judeans about religious belief. Saying these people were Jews(nationality) is like saying being an American means you are a Christian.

We know there were several different religions in Judea at the time. Some similarities perhaps but some differences to. There's no reason to think any one of them is representative of the religious of all Judeans at the time.

So I really disagree with the idea that calling the people of Judea at that time Jews has necessarily any indication of a specific unity in religious views.

Saying Jesus was a Jew and his followers were Jews does not indicate any particular agreement or unity among Jews in Judea at that time regarding religious views. In fact we know there were disagreements among the people of Judea with regards to religion. Saying Jesus was a Jew is no particular indication of his religious views and certainly no indication that his views can be referenced through modern Judaism.

 

[Harmonious]

This can sound insulting but i think Islam is closer to Judaism in its teachings then Christianity.

I agree with you. In its most basic theological concepts, Islam is closer to Judaism than Christianity is to either of the other.

No insult anywhere that I can see, but I can see Christians geared up and ready to disagree.

 

[Nakosis]

I agree with you. In its most basic theological concepts, Islam is closer to Judaism than Christianity is to either of the other.

No insult anywhere that I can see, but I can see Christians geared up and ready to disagree.

I think the early Christians/Followers of Jesus were influence by non-Hebrew concepts of God. Not that I have expertise on Judaism or Islam. However there always seemed a significant theology difference between them and Christianity just from what I've personally looked into.

 

[Harmonious]

I think the early Christians/Followers of Jesus were influence by non-Hebrew concepts of God. Not that I have expertise on Judaism or Islam. However there always seemed a significant theology difference between them and Christianity just from what I've personally looked into.

:yes:

The centrality of Jesus, in whatever function he is in the various forms of Christianity, will always put distance between the theology of Christianity and the theology of Judaism.

The singularity and non-corporeality of God (among many other things) will always be a unifying factor between the theology of Judaism and the theology of Islam.

 

[Nakosis]

:yes:

The centrality of Jesus, in whatever function he is in the various forms of Christianity, will always put distance between the theology of Christianity and the theology of Judaism.

The singularity and non-corporeality of God (among many other things) will always be a unifying factor between the theology of Judaism and the theology of Islam.

Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

So if you believe Jews are descendants of Isaac and Arabs of Ishmael and both have the same God, wouldn't that require Jews and Christians to acknowledge Muhammad as a prophet of at least the Arabs?

 

[Harmonious]

So if you believe Jews are descendants of Isaac and Arabs of Ishmael and both have the same God, wouldn't that require Jews and Christians to acknowledge Muhammad as a prophet of at least the Arabs?

No.

Descendancy does not necessitate a required agreement with a belief system.

 

[Harmonious]

Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out.

My pleasure.