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Jihad is not what you think it is

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
It's important to be up-to-date and in-the-right-place if you want to stay in touch with folks and communicate accurately and well. If you don't then you can lose touch, and sometimes it's important for safety and peace to communicate quickly and clearly.

Around here the word 'Jihad' means trouble in varying degrees from terrorism to outright war. It can even mean 'domination through sexual activity' or something very close to that.

And so if you were to tell our media here how wrong it is, and what the word 'Jihad' meant before Chaucer was born (or whenever) you wouldn't get much attention, because your point could only cause confusion.

Languages move in meaning, and in fashions.......... at this time a group of our local kids (that's children to you, and not very young lambs) might describe a powerful car zooming past them as 'Well sick!', meaning 'Fantastic', but to you both 'well-sick' and 'fantastic' have different meanings, I mean that powerful car was not a fantasy.

Keep in touch with the 'Now' wherever you happen to be.

:)

So you would believe what a bunch of ignorant non Muslims tell you Jihad means, and ignore what Muslims teach Jihad means.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
So you would believe what a bunch of ignorant non Muslims tell you Jihad means, and ignore what Muslims teach Jihad means.
Where I live I would keep in touch with what our language means.

Do you have any Muslim friends where you live? If so, ask them what Jihad means to them.

I already have given four examples of our local language and explained these. They were Jihad, Kid, Well-Sick and Fantastic.

Do you find that your local area uses words that mean something different to the normal?

:)
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
I hope this topic is not going to offend anyone, but it is an important part of the understanding of Islam.

As soon as a person bring up the Arabic word Jihad it is seen as something very evil, But do you really know the true meaning behind the word?

It is not as bad as you think, because it does not mean Holy war only, And the war part is the very last thing in this, and it is only as defence.

In Arabic the Word Jihad means struggle or spiritual struggle, it actually is meant as a word for the internal struggle each muslim go thru in their practice. Not a call for war on everyone who is not a muslim.

So what we call terrorists today, has nothing to do with islam, because they dont understand even the most simple verse they clame to be in war for.

This is true. I find the saying, 'The greatest Jihad is the Jihad against one's own self' , very inspiring.

Unfortunately, the whole jihad philosophy has been hijacked by a few to serve their ends of petty religious nationalism by conditioning people to be petty instruments.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
So you would believe what a bunch of ignorant non Muslims tell you Jihad means, and ignore what Muslims teach Jihad means.
I had to reply twice........ just for fun.

So are you telling me that you never consult Google for any info? This is the interpretation that our media uses, like our BBC

jihad
/dʒɪˈhɑːd/
noun
ISLAM
  1. a struggle or fight against the enemies of Islam.
    "he declared a jihad against the infidels.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
I had to reply twice........ just for fun.

So are you telling me that you never consult Google for any info? This is the interpretation that our media uses, like our BBC

jihad
/dʒɪˈhɑːd/
noun
ISLAM
  1. a struggle or fight against the enemies of Islam.
    "he declared a jihad against the infidels.

You or google for that matter obviously haven't consulted any Muslims on the matter. Many Muslims have made it abundantly clear to me that the primary meaning of Jihad is the spiritual struggle to make oneself a better person.
 
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Niblo

Active Member
Premium Member
I believe I’ve said all of this before (on a different thread – and on different forum) but it bears repeating:

In his introduction to the ‘Book of Jihad and Expedition of Sahih Muslim’ the translator (Abd-al-Hamid Siddiqui) makes the following comment:

‘The word Jihad is derived from the verb jahada which means: ‘he exerted himself’. Thus literally, Jihad means exertion, striving; but in a juridico-religious sense, it signifies the exertion of one's power to the utmost of one's capacity in the cause of Allah. Thus Jihad in Islam is not an act of violence directed indiscriminately against the non-Muslims; it is the name given to an all-round struggle which a Muslim should launch against evil in whatever form or shape it appears.’

The Qur’an defines ‘jihad’ as: ‘Striving, with one’s self and one’s money, in the cause of Allāh’:

‘Do you consider giving water to pilgrims and tending the Sacred Mosque to be equal to the deeds of those who believe in Allāh and the Last Day and who strive in Allāh’s path? They are not equal in Allāh’s eyes. Allāh does not guide such benighted people. Those who believe, who migrated and strove hard in Allāh’s way with their possessions and their persons, are in Allāh’s eyes much higher in rank; it is they who will triumph; and their Lord gives them the good news of His mercy and pleasure, Gardens where they will have lasting bliss and where they will remain for ever: truly, there is a tremendous reward with Allāh.’ (Al-Tawba: 19-22); and again: ‘When a sura is revealed (saying): “Believe in Allāh and strive hard alongside His Messenger,” their wealthy ask your permission (to be exempt), saying: “Allow us to stay behind with the others”. They prefer to be with those who stay behind. Their hearts have been sealed: they do not comprehend. But the Messenger and those who believe with him strive hard with their possessions and their persons. The best things belong to them; it is they who will prosper. Allāh has prepared Gardens graced with flowing streams for them and there they will stay. That is the supreme triumph.’ (Al-Tawba: 86-89); and again: ‘The desert Arabs say: “We have faith.” (Prophet), tell them: “You do not have faith. What you should say instead is, ‘We have submitted,’ for faith has not yet entered your hearts.” If you obey Allāh and His Messenger, He will not diminish any of your deeds: He is most forgiving and most merciful. The true believers are the ones who have faith in Allāh and His Messenger and leave all doubt behind, the ones who have struggled with their possessions and their persons in Allah’s way: they are the ones who are true.’ ((Al-Hujurat: 14-15).

We see that we must strive in Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla)’s path; or in His way; or in His cause. But what does this mean?

His path; His way; His cause; each of these means the same thing: That we should strive to uphold His commandments, and to turn away - in condemnation - from all He has forbidden. We should strive to excel in prayer; in charity; in good deeds of all kinds; in standing up for what is true against what is false; and yes, in fighting when we have to.

But what of warfare?

According to Abd-al-Hamid Siddiqui:

‘Qital fi sabilillah (fighting in the way of Allah) is only one aspect of Jihad. Even this qital in Islam is not an act of mad brutality. It has its material and moral functions, i. e. self-preservation and the preservation of the moral order in the world. The verdict of all religious and ethical philosophies - ancient and modern - justifies war on moral grounds. When one nation is assaulted by the ambitions and cupidity of another, the doctrine of non-resistance is anti-social, as it involves non-assertion, not only of one's own rights, but of those of others who need protection against the forces of tyranny and oppression.’

Muslims are obliged to protect themselves, and all who seek their protection. They must protect the defenceless; women; children; and the old from privation, suffering and moral peril. According to the Shari’a, fighting in a ‘just war’ is a duty (as it is in all other forms of state governance, whether religious or secular).

‘Let those of you who are willing to trade the life of this world for the life to come, fight in Allāh’s way. To anyone who fights in Allāh’s way, whether killed or victorious, We shall give a great reward. Why should you not fight in Allah’s cause and for those oppressed men, women, and children who cry out: “Lord, rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors! By Your grace, give us a protector and give us a helper!”?’ (Al-Nisa’: 74-75).

The Qur’an advocates opposition to aggression and oppression. However, war is allowed only as an act of self defence, and never as an act of aggression:

‘Those who have been attacked are permitted to take up arms because they have been wronged – Allāh has the power to help them – those who have been driven unjustly from their homes only for saying: “Our Lord is Allāh.” If Allāh did not repel some people by means of others, many monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, where Allāh’s name is much invoked, would have been destroyed. Allāh is sure to help those who help His cause – Allāh is strong and mighty…..’ (Al-Hajj: 39-40); and again: ‘Fight in Allāh’s cause against those who fight you, but do not overstep the limits: Allāh does not love those who overstep the limits. Kill them wherever you encounter them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, for persecution is more serious than killing. Do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque unless they fight you there. If they do fight you, kill them – this is what such disbelievers deserve - but if they stop, then Allāh is most forgiving and merciful. Fight them until there is no more persecution, and worship is devoted to Allāh. If they cease hostilities, there can be no (further) hostility, except towards aggressors.’ (Al-Baqara: 190-193).

Two lines in these verses require clarification.

‘………………but do not overstep the limits’. The scholars agree that the Arabic command ‘la ta tadu’ prohibits the starting of hostilities; fighting non-combatants; and making a disproportionate response to aggression.

‘Kill them wherever you encounter them’. The Muslims were concerned as to whether it was permitted to retaliate when attacked within the sacred precincts in Mecca (when on pilgrimage). In this line, they are given permission to fight back wherever they encounter their attackers, in the precinct or outside it.

Whenever possible, war is to be avoided; even when preparations have been made:

‘Prepare whatever forces you (believers) can muster, including warhorses, to frighten off Allāh’s enemies and yours, and warn others unknown to you but known to Allāh. Whatever you give in Allāh’s cause will be repaid to you in full, and you will not be wronged. But if they incline towards peace, you (Prophet) must also incline towards it, and put your trust in Allāh: He is the All Hearing, the All Knowing.’ (Al-Anfal: 60-61).

And this from Abd-al-Hamid Siddiqui:

‘So great is the respect for humanly feelings in Islam that even the wanton destruction of enemy's crops or property is strictly forbidden. The righteous Caliphs followed closely the teachings of Allāh, and those of His Apostle, in letter and spirit. The celebrated address which the first Caliph Abu Bakr (Allāh be pleased with him) gave to his army is permeated with the noble spirit with which war in Islam is permitted. He said: "Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone"’

There are some who portray ‘jihad’ as a ‘holy war’. This cannot be correct. ‘Holy war’ is rendered ‘al-harb al-muqadas’; a phrase that does not exist in Qur’anic Arabic. According to the Qur’an no war is holy; not under any circumstance.

Muslim are permitted to defend themselves from attack. The level of self-defence permitted will vary, according to the Criminal Law of the land in which the Muslim lives. In the UK, for example, one is permitted to use lethal force only ‘in extremis’, and when no other course of action (including running away) is possible.

Have a nice day!
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
You or google for that matter obviously haven't consulted any Muslims on the matter. Many Muslims have made it abundantly clear to me that the primary meaning of Jihad is the spiritual struggle to make oneself a better person. You seem to be proud of yourself for getting faulty information from the wrong people, ask a Muslim what it means, if you even talk to Muslims??
I worked with Muslim mates for years.

And you went and got personal with your 'proud' prod, didn't you?

I'll talk with you another time, Lyndon, preferably when you are in your more usual pleasant moods. :)
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I believe I’ve said all of this before (on a different thread – and on different forum) but it bears repeating:

In his introduction to the ‘Book of Jihad and Expedition of Sahih Muslim’ the translator (Abd-al-Hamid Siddiqui) makes the following comment:

‘The word Jihad is derived from the verb jahada which means: ‘he exerted himself’. Thus literally, Jihad means exertion, striving; but in a juridico-religious sense, it signifies the exertion of one's power to the utmost of one's capacity in the cause of Allah. Thus Jihad in Islam is not an act of violence directed indiscriminately against the non-Muslims; it is the name given to an all-round struggle which a Muslim should launch against evil in whatever form or shape it appears.’

The Qur’an defines ‘jihad’ as: ‘Striving, with one’s self and one’s money, in the cause of Allāh’:

‘Do you consider giving water to pilgrims and tending the Sacred Mosque to be equal to the deeds of those who believe in Allāh and the Last Day and who strive in Allāh’s path? They are not equal in Allāh’s eyes. Allāh does not guide such benighted people. Those who believe, who migrated and strove hard in Allāh’s way with their possessions and their persons, are in Allāh’s eyes much higher in rank; it is they who will triumph; and their Lord gives them the good news of His mercy and pleasure, Gardens where they will have lasting bliss and where they will remain for ever: truly, there is a tremendous reward with Allāh.’ (Al-Tawba: 19-22); and again: ‘When a sura is revealed (saying): “Believe in Allāh and strive hard alongside His Messenger,” their wealthy ask your permission (to be exempt), saying: “Allow us to stay behind with the others”. They prefer to be with those who stay behind. Their hearts have been sealed: they do not comprehend. But the Messenger and those who believe with him strive hard with their possessions and their persons. The best things belong to them; it is they who will prosper. Allāh has prepared Gardens graced with flowing streams for them and there they will stay. That is the supreme triumph.’ (Al-Tawba: 86-89); and again: ‘The desert Arabs say: “We have faith.” (Prophet), tell them: “You do not have faith. What you should say instead is, ‘We have submitted,’ for faith has not yet entered your hearts.” If you obey Allāh and His Messenger, He will not diminish any of your deeds: He is most forgiving and most merciful. The true believers are the ones who have faith in Allāh and His Messenger and leave all doubt behind, the ones who have struggled with their possessions and their persons in Allah’s way: they are the ones who are true.’ ((Al-Hujurat: 14-15).

We see that we must strive in Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla)’s path; or in His way; or in His cause. But what does this mean?

His path; His way; His cause; each of these means the same thing: That we should strive to uphold His commandments, and to turn away - in condemnation - from all He has forbidden. We should strive to excel in prayer; in charity; in good deeds of all kinds; in standing up for what is true against what is false; and yes, in fighting when we have to.

But what of warfare?

According to Abd-al-Hamid Siddiqui:

‘Qital fi sabilillah (fighting in the way of Allah) is only one aspect of Jihad. Even this qital in Islam is not an act of mad brutality. It has its material and moral functions, i. e. self-preservation and the preservation of the moral order in the world. The verdict of all religious and ethical philosophies - ancient and modern - justifies war on moral grounds. When one nation is assaulted by the ambitions and cupidity of another, the doctrine of non-resistance is anti-social, as it involves non-assertion, not only of one's own rights, but of those of others who need protection against the forces of tyranny and oppression.’

Muslims are obliged to protect themselves, and all who seek their protection. They must protect the defenceless; women; children; and the old from privation, suffering and moral peril. According to the Shari’a, fighting in a ‘just war’ is a duty (as it is in all other forms of state governance, whether religious or secular).

‘Let those of you who are willing to trade the life of this world for the life to come, fight in Allāh’s way. To anyone who fights in Allāh’s way, whether killed or victorious, We shall give a great reward. Why should you not fight in Allah’s cause and for those oppressed men, women, and children who cry out: “Lord, rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors! By Your grace, give us a protector and give us a helper!”?’ (Al-Nisa’: 74-75).

The Qur’an advocates opposition to aggression and oppression. However, war is allowed only as an act of self defence, and never as an act of aggression:

‘Those who have been attacked are permitted to take up arms because they have been wronged – Allāh has the power to help them – those who have been driven unjustly from their homes only for saying: “Our Lord is Allāh.” If Allāh did not repel some people by means of others, many monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, where Allāh’s name is much invoked, would have been destroyed. Allāh is sure to help those who help His cause – Allāh is strong and mighty…..’ (Al-Hajj: 39-40); and again: ‘Fight in Allāh’s cause against those who fight you, but do not overstep the limits: Allāh does not love those who overstep the limits. Kill them wherever you encounter them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, for persecution is more serious than killing. Do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque unless they fight you there. If they do fight you, kill them – this is what such disbelievers deserve - but if they stop, then Allāh is most forgiving and merciful. Fight them until there is no more persecution, and worship is devoted to Allāh. If they cease hostilities, there can be no (further) hostility, except towards aggressors.’ (Al-Baqara: 190-193).

Two lines in these verses require clarification.

‘………………but do not overstep the limits’. The scholars agree that the Arabic command ‘la ta tadu’ prohibits the starting of hostilities; fighting non-combatants; and making a disproportionate response to aggression.

‘Kill them wherever you encounter them’. The Muslims were concerned as to whether it was permitted to retaliate when attacked within the sacred precincts in Mecca (when on pilgrimage). In this line, they are given permission to fight back wherever they encounter their attackers, in the precinct or outside it.

Whenever possible, war is to be avoided; even when preparations have been made:

‘Prepare whatever forces you (believers) can muster, including warhorses, to frighten off Allāh’s enemies and yours, and warn others unknown to you but known to Allāh. Whatever you give in Allāh’s cause will be repaid to you in full, and you will not be wronged. But if they incline towards peace, you (Prophet) must also incline towards it, and put your trust in Allāh: He is the All Hearing, the All Knowing.’ (Al-Anfal: 60-61).

And this from Abd-al-Hamid Siddiqui:

‘So great is the respect for humanly feelings in Islam that even the wanton destruction of enemy's crops or property is strictly forbidden. The righteous Caliphs followed closely the teachings of Allāh, and those of His Apostle, in letter and spirit. The celebrated address which the first Caliph Abu Bakr (Allāh be pleased with him) gave to his army is permeated with the noble spirit with which war in Islam is permitted. He said: "Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone"’

There are some who portray ‘jihad’ as a ‘holy war’. This cannot be correct. ‘Holy war’ is rendered ‘al-harb al-muqadas’; a phrase that does not exist in Qur’anic Arabic. According to the Qur’an no war is holy; not under any circumstance.

Muslim are permitted to defend themselves from attack. The level of self-defence permitted will vary, according to the Criminal Law of the land in which the Muslim lives. In the UK, for example, one is permitted to use lethal force only ‘in extremis’, and when no other course of action (including running away) is possible.

Have a nice day!
Thank you for a very good and deep wisdom toward the OP that i posted. I am greatful for your wisdom
 

Niblo

Active Member
Premium Member
Thank you for a very good and deep wisdom toward the OP that i posted. I am greatful for your wisdom

As-Salāmu ‘alaykum, Amanaki.

I'm laughing as I read this (but not at you). My wife - and colleagues - would think twice before calling me wise! :eek:.

Truly, it's very kind of you to pay such a compliment. Thank you very much.

May Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) reward you.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
wa alaikum as-salam Niblo

I am smiling to now :) You are very welcome and i am happy to learn from you.

May Allãh be with you
 

sealchan

Well-Known Member
Look at the Arab Spring.. Gaddafi was a terrible leader who threw out the Idris constitution, nearly killed the Libyan oil business and was a prancing peacock on the world stage. Mubarak stayed way too long and promoted corruption especially if he benefitted.. Assad is a butcher just like his father who simply squashed the life out of the Syrian people..

I'm not following how this connects to the Arab Spring.
 

sealchan

Well-Known Member
Civil war was long overdue because those guys were not leaders.. They were just corrupt brutes.

Well, there are always multiple factors in play. Certainly a corrupt leadership will eventually push until it reaches a breaking point. But when the average person on the street feels compelled to get involved that is an opportunity for a more just society to take root.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Well, there are always multiple factors in play. Certainly a corrupt leadership will eventually push until it reaches a breaking point. But when the average person on the street feels compelled to get involved that is an opportunity for a more just society to take root.

I wish I could agree.. Revolutions rarely turn out as you might hope..
 

Niblo

Active Member
Premium Member
wa alaikum as-salam Niblo

I am smiling to now :) You are very welcome and i am happy to learn from you.

May Allãh be with you

As-Salāmu ‘alaykum, Amanaki.

Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) says: ‘People, We created you all from a single man and a single woman, and made you into races and tribes so that you should know one another. In Allāh’s eyes, the most honoured of you are the ones most mindful of Him: Allāh is all knowing, all aware.’ (Al-Hujurat: 13).

Nasr, Seyyed Hossein Nasr writes:

‘That people have been divided into diverse peoples and tribes that they may come to know one another indicates the manner in which differences in tribe, race, ethnicity, language, nationality, and religion can be sources through which human beings gain a deeper appreciation for the reality of the human condition. In this regard, the Prophet has said, “God does not look at your bodies, nor at your forms. He looks at your hearts.”

In another ḥadīth, the heart is presented as the reality that determines all other dimensions of one’s being: “There is in man a clump of flesh. If it is pure, the whole body is pure. If it is polluted, the whole body is polluted. It is the heart.” The outward diversity that divides human beings is thus one of the greatest tests that human beings confront in the life of this world, as in 5: 48: And had God willed, He would have made you one community, but (He willed otherwise), that He might try you in that which He has given you. So vie with one another in good deeds. Unto God shall be your return all together, and He will inform you of that wherein you differ.’ (‘The Study Quran: A New Translation and Commentary’).

A lifetime's opportunity for learning, don’t you think?

May Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) bless you also, and everyone you hold dear.
 

ManSinha

Well-Known Member
Has any Muslim thrust his belief on you?
I lived around them for a couple of decades and I never knew any American who had Islam forced on them.

That may be true in your personal case @sooda but why do you think India has a 15% Muslim population? It is partly because of forced conversions that are well documented going from the 16th thru the 19th centuries. Your experience with them may be all good - that is one side of the coin - I can provide - and have provided - well documented examples - documented by multiple authors including the English and French who were colonizing at the time; extreme horrors perpetrated on locals when they refused to convert to Islam

Fair warning - the links are graphic - read them at your own risk and desire to understand the macabre

1. Bhai Taru Singh
2. Sambhaji Raje
3. Banda Bahadur
4. The Sirhind incident
5. The 9th Master

You can see - the personal history of Northern India is filled with the atrocities committed in the name of Islam. Hence I have some trouble believing "The religion of peace" when there is such recent wholesale evidence that is contrarian,

Not until the Sikhs in the north and the Marathas in the South caught the Muslims in a pincer like double attack - and forced them from power - also aided by the British colonization - did the massacres end
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
As-Salāmu ‘alaykum, Amanaki.

Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) says: ‘People, We created you all from a single man and a single woman, and made you into races and tribes so that you should know one another. In Allāh’s eyes, the most honoured of you are the ones most mindful of Him: Allāh is all knowing, all aware.’ (Al-Hujurat: 13).

Nasr, Seyyed Hossein Nasr writes:

‘That people have been divided into diverse peoples and tribes that they may come to know one another indicates the manner in which differences in tribe, race, ethnicity, language, nationality, and religion can be sources through which human beings gain a deeper appreciation for the reality of the human condition. In this regard, the Prophet has said, “God does not look at your bodies, nor at your forms. He looks at your hearts.”

In another ḥadīth, the heart is presented as the reality that determines all other dimensions of one’s being: “There is in man a clump of flesh. If it is pure, the whole body is pure. If it is polluted, the whole body is polluted. It is the heart.” The outward diversity that divides human beings is thus one of the greatest tests that human beings confront in the life of this world, as in 5: 48: And had God willed, He would have made you one community, but (He willed otherwise), that He might try you in that which He has given you. So vie with one another in good deeds. Unto God shall be your return all together, and He will inform you of that wherein you differ.’ (‘The Study Quran: A New Translation and Commentary’).

A lifetime's opportunity for learning, don’t you think?

May Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) bless you also, and everyone you hold dear.
It is a great opportunity to see each other as fellow spiritual beings :) Religion is only one aspect of who we are :) when we let go of the identity as this or that, we become equal :)
 

sooda

Veteran Member
That may be true in your personal case @sooda but why do you think India has a 15% Muslim population? It is partly because of forced conversions that are well documented going from the 16th thru the 19th centuries. Your experience with them may be all good - that is one side of the coin - I can provide - and have provided - well documented examples - documented by multiple authors including the English and French who were colonizing at the time; extreme horrors perpetrated on locals when they refused to convert to Islam

Fair warning - the links are graphic - read them at your own risk and desire to understand the macabre

1. Bhai Taru Singh
2. Sambhaji Raje
3. Banda Bahadur
4. The Sirhind incident
5. The 9th Master

You can see - the personal history of Northern India is filled with the atrocities committed in the name of Islam. Hence I have some trouble believing "The religion of peace" when there is such recent wholesale evidence that is contrarian,

Not until the Sikhs in the north and the Marathas in the South caught the Muslims in a pincer like double attack - and forced them from power - also aided by the British colonization - did the massacres end

There are 40,000 Americans living and working in Arabia. There are a number of ex-pat and annuitant and US student websites.. They don't report any difficulties.. My experience isn't unique.

I don't know that much about India.. I know the Arabs traded with the Indus Valley long before Islam.. and I know the British Empire controlled a lot of people with a small force by setting one group against another.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I hope this topic is not going to offend anyone, but it is an important part of the understanding of Islam.

As soon as a person bring up the Arabic word Jihad it is seen as something very evil, But do you really know the true meaning behind the word?

It is not as bad as you think, because it does not mean Holy war only, And the war part is the very last thing in this, and it is only as defence.

In Arabic the Word Jihad means struggle or spiritual struggle, it actually is meant as a word for the internal struggle each muslim go thru in their practice. Not a call for war on everyone who is not a muslim.

So what we call terrorists today, has nothing to do with islam, because they dont understand even the most simple verse they clame to be in war for.

Jesus didn't ask his followers to hide child abusers. However, where they do, they deserve to be called out and judged on it.
Whilst I don't claim to know the entirety of the prophets intent, I do know that his followers are divided in their interpretation of his message. Not all interpret Jihad as you have, and not all are worthy of respect.
 
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