John 1:18 ||Jesus adherents only

[Desert Snake]

JESUS ADHERENTS ONLY


What is your interpretation of John 1:18


Bibles can explain the verse de facto in the verse, some bibles doing so, not a problem.

Yet for those of us using the deity titles as specificity, in originality, this would clearly denote Jesus as a god, or The God, /monotheists.

Opinions?

☆

 

[Desert Snake]

} For christians who already believe that Jesus is God, the verse denotes the Jesus aspect in the godhood.

 

[DavidFirth]

JESUS ADHERENTS ONLY


What is your interpretation of John 1:18


Bibles can explain the verse de facto in the verse, some bibles doing so, not a problem.

Yet for those of us using the deity titles as specificity, in originality, this would clearly denote Jesus as a god, or The God, /monotheists.

Opinions?

☆

It simply means that no man has ever seen God's face except for Jesus only.

 

[Spiderman]

It simply means that no man has ever seen God's face except for Jesus only.

You're forgetting that Moses saw his face

 

[Super Universe]

JESUS ADHERENTS ONLY


What is your interpretation of John 1:18


Bibles can explain the verse de facto in the verse, some bibles doing so, not a problem.

Yet for those of us using the deity titles as specificity, in originality, this would clearly denote Jesus as a god, or The God, /monotheists.

Opinions?

☆

No one has ever seen God means that no human on earth at that time had ever seen God.

We are the children of God, so, in a way, we are God as well. We are not the entirety of God and neither is Jesus. We are all just one part, one piece of a giant puzzle.

If you're looking for a reason to believe that Jesus was God, the Creator of the universe, you might want to ask yourself why that is so important to you.

 

[DavidFirth]

You're forgetting that Moses saw his face

No. Moses did not see His face.

Exodus 33
19And the Lord said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.20But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”

21Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.”

 

[Spiderman]

No. Moses did not see His face.

Exodus 33
19And the Lord said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.20But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”

21Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.”

God sometimes changed his mind with Moses

Exodus 33:11 ►
New International Version
The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend.

 

[DavidFirth]

God sometimes changed his mind with Moses

Exodus 33:11 ►
New International Version
The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend.

Yes, but Moses never saw His face. The LORD was in a thick cloud when He spoke with Moses.

 

[Spiderman]

Yes, but Moses never saw His face. The LORD was in a thick cloud when He spoke with Moses.

I'm not going to argue with you

Genesis 32:30 ►
So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."

 

[DavidFirth]

I'm not going to argue with you

Genesis 32:30 ►
So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."

Jacob wrestled with an angel, he only thought that he saw God's face.

 

[pearl]

Yet for those of us using the deity titles as specificity, in originality, this would clearly denote Jesus as a god, or The God, /monotheists.

No one has ever seen God. The only Son, God,* who is at the Father’s side, has revealed him.

Other translations; the Son, the only one, or the only Son the translation above follows the best and earliest manuscripts, monogenes theos, but takes the first term to mean not just "Only One" but to include a filial relationship with the Father. The Logos is "only Son' and God but not Father/God

 

[Rick B]

No one has ever seen God. The only Son, God,* who is at the Father’s side, has revealed him.

Other translations; the Son, the only one, or the only Son the translation above follows the best and earliest manuscripts, monogenes theos, but takes the first term to mean not just "Only One" but to include a filial relationship with the Father. The Logos is "only Son' and God but not Father/God

Yes. And as John states earlier in verses 1 and 2 that the Son is divine and was with God, demonstrating His deity and a distinction of Persons in the being that is God.

 

[Desert Snake]

Yes. And as John states earlier in verses 1 and 2 that the Son is divine and was with God, demonstrating His deity and a distinction of Persons in the being that is God.

John 1:1
John 1:10

How are you meaning "distinction"?

There doesn't seem to be a distinction inferred, merely a aspect difference.

Different aspect of the same thing, doesn't mean 'distinction', or that word could be interpretive.

 

[Desert Snake]

No one has ever seen God means that no human on earth at that time had ever seen God.

We are the children of God, so, in a way, we are God as well. We are not the entirety of God and neither is Jesus. We are all just one part, one piece of a giant puzzle.

Why don't you explain your religion further, that might be interesting. Who is Jesus, in your religion? Etc.

If you're looking for a reason to believe that Jesus was God, the Creator of the universe, you might want to ask yourself why that is so important to you.

John 1:10

Perhaps you should ask yourself why it's so important that He isn't.
Ever consider the reasons why you embraced your new religion?
Why was that, mr.universe?

I mean, really, you really aren't good at presuming things.

 

[Rick B]

John 1:1
John 1:10

How are you meaning "distinction"?

There doesn't seem to be a distinction inferred, merely a aspect difference.

Different aspect of the same thing, doesn't mean 'distinction', or that word could be interpretive.

In John 1:1 the Word (which is identified elsewhere as Christ) is WITH God. So distinguishing persons.

 

[Desert Snake]

In John 1:1 the Word (which is identified elsewhere as Christ) is WITH God. So distinguishing persons.

Genesis 1:26
In Genesis, elohim is usually interpreted as a singular, ie 'God'.
It is in Judaism, and I interpret that name as singular.
Yet there is a plurality there.

Do you interpret elohim as a plural, distinct beings?

 

[Rick B]

Genesis 1:26
In Genesis, elohim is usually interpreted as a singular, ie 'God'.
It is in Judaism, and I interpret that name as singular.
Yet there is a plurality there.

Do you interpret elohim as a plural, distinct beings?

Depends on the context.

 

[Desert Snake]

Depends on the context.

What about that context, Genesis 1:26

 

[Clear]

1) Regarding the early traditions that certain individuals saw the face of God :
PopeADope wrote in post #4 : “You're forgetting that Moses saw his face"
DavidFirth responded in post #6 : “No. Moses did not see His face.” And in post #10 “Jacob wrestled with an angel, he only thought that he saw God's face.”

I have to vote with PopeADope on this specific point פניאל (p’niel) of Genesis 32:30 means “face of God”. It does not say p’nimalak (face of an angel). Also, remember, the early Judeo-Christian texts discuss seeing God face to Face, Enoch, barnabas, Martyrdom of Isaiah (3:9) (“But Isaiah has said, 'I have seen the Lord, and behold I am alive...'), etc.

2) Regarding the version of John 1:18 the OP is referring to. (i.e. modern version or ancient version of the text)

Just a historical point to be made :

The version GN4 (translators greek New Testament) uses for the ancient greek for John 1:18 reads “…the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.”. This earlier version is classified as category B (meaning it is almost certain this is the earliest and most original version for this reading). This reading is found in early Greek versions found in P75, א, 33pc, Cl.pt, Cl.ex, thd, Or,…V,, C, L, pc, sy,.hmg, OR.pt, Did…).

Clear
ειειακω

 

[Rick B]

What about that context, Genesis 1:26

Considering the pronouns and the suffix I would say that it confirms the plurality of Elohim as defining the plurality of persons within the one being that is God.