John Macarthur opens church

[dad]

I wish you would actually read my posts and think before posting.

Again, falsifying deaths can get a doctor's license revoked and end up giving him/her a possible prison sentence. On top of that, inflating the death rate doesn't help him one iota.

And without actual stats to prove your point, why in the world would you assume that the NIH and CDC are wrong?

It does no good to claim that the medical profession is too honest to choose a more profitable option. Not like anyone checks. What would we look for? Sure some guy in a motorcycle crash death may have some covid in the nose. So what? Does that mean the guy died of covid?
Why were there far less heart attacks deaths than expected during covid spikes??

Covid-19 Deaths A Look at U.S. Data httpswww.youtube.comwatchv=3TKJN61aflI (at 31 minutes into the video)

 

[Guitar's Cry]

There is danger in many things. Masks that are misused for example. Crossing the street, etc.

I mean, sure, but if the traffic is bad enough at a street crossing, you put in a crossing guard.

There are times that requiring basic precautions, imperfect as they may be, are necessary to mitigate risk and retain some control over the situation.

 

[dad]

I mean, sure, but if the traffic is bad enough at a street crossing, you put in a crossing guard.

There are times that requiring basic precautions, imperfect as they may be, are necessary to mitigate risk and retain some control over the situation.

To save a 90 year old in a home from death, basic precautions might include washing our hands when visiting, wearing a mask while visiting, praying, etc. Locking down the world causing homelessness, starvation en mass, bankruptcies,suicides and etc etc etc is not basic.

 

[metis]

It does no good to claim that the medical profession is too honest to choose a more profitable option. Not like anyone checks. What would we look for? Sure some guy in a motorcycle crash death may have some covid in the nose. So what? Does that mean the guy died of covid?
Why were there far less heart attacks deaths than expected during covid spikes??

Covid-19 Deaths A Look at U.S. Data httpswww.youtube.comwatchv=3TKJN61aflI (at 31 minutes into the video)

With your posts on this, here's the summary of it put in numerical terms: 0 + 0 = 0.

IOW, the position doesn't make any sense because it lacks any evidence whatsoever, plus it's illogical based on what we do know.

 

[exchemist]

Numbers of supposed excess deaths have no meaning. How many die FROM covid is what matters. As I have shown in a reasearch link, when the data spiked for covid deaths, at that same exact time the deaths for cancer and heart attacks and etc etc also spiked correspondingly down! Your misuse of the word lie shows that you cannot be trusted.

Don't be ridiculous. The excess deaths are clearly due to the epidemic and trusted to be so by professional statisticians advising national governments.

I get a very clear view of both your sources of information and your general attitude to truth from the malicious nonsense you have just posted about the state of hospitals in the UK, where I actually live.
You have been posting lies. You may not know they are lies, i.e. you may, for all I know, be posting in good faith and have just been misled but these are lies. The people that push them know perfectly well they are not true. For example, that stunt in the UK hospital corridor. The person that did that knew damned well it did not show what they claimed it showed. Even the news report it came from said it was untrue and done to mislead.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Accusing God of evil is blasphemy. Having many people with a personal agenda of blasphemy does not make it something else. Do you burn Korans also?

None of this suggests that it shouldn't discussed on a religious forum.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

To save a 90 year old in a home from death, basic precautions might include washing our hands when visiting, wearing a mask while visiting, praying, etc. Locking down the world causing homelessness, starvation en mass, bankruptcies,suicides and etc etc etc is not basic.

The whole world isn't locked down.

I understand the mental health and economic issue, which is why I support using government resources to uphold the economy, something we have not been doing effectively. There's no reason why the richest nation in the world with the largest military and wealthy economic leaders (still profitting, by the way) can't uphold the economic, medical, and mental health of its citizens.

 

[dad]

With your posts on this, here's the summary of it put in numerical terms: 0 + 0 = 0.

IOW, the position doesn't make any sense because it lacks any evidence whatsoever, plus it's illogical based on what we do know.

However you want to assign numbers to things that do not blindly accept what you choose to believe is of no concern to me. Tens ot THOUSANDS of medical professionals suggest lockdowns are bad. Ha

 

[dad]

Don't be ridiculous. The excess deaths are clearly due to the epidemic and trusted to be so by professional statisticians advising national governments.

I get a very clear view of both your sources of information and your general attitude to truth from the malicious nonsense you have just posted about the state of hospitals in the UK, where I actually live.
You have been posting lies. You may not know they are lies, i.e. you may, for all I know, be posting in good faith and have just been misled but these are lies. The people that push them know perfectly well they are not true. For example, that stunt in the UK hospital corridor. The person that did that knew damned well it did not show what they claimed it showed. Even the news report it came from said it was untrue and done to mislead.

'Due to pandemic' is meaningless. The starvation of millions is also due to that. The suicides, etc etc. Just because someone wants to pad the numbers by getting deaths labelled as related to covid does not mean much.(to those not gullible)

 

[dad]

None of this suggests that it shouldn't discussed on a religious forum.

Blasphemy is not discussion, it is accusing God of evil.

 

[dad]

The whole world isn't locked down.

I understand the mental health and economic issue, which is why I support using government resources to uphold the economy, something we have not been doing effectively. There's no reason why the richest nation in the world with the largest military and wealthy economic leaders (still profitting, by the way) can't uphold the economic, medical, and mental health of its citizens.

Whatever leaders think they can uphold, it does not include breaching the freedoms of the people. Despotism and draconian restrictions are medical tyranny.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Blasphemy is not discussion, it is accusing God of evil.

Which can be discussed! I could start a thread on it...

 

[exchemist]

'Due to pandemic' is meaningless. The starvation of millions is also due to that. The suicides, etc etc. Just because someone wants to pad the numbers by getting deaths labelled as related to covid does not mean much.(to those not gullible)

You continue to try to introduce other subjects to distract from these falsehoods you are propagating.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Whatever leaders think they can uphold, it does not include breaching the freedoms of the people. Despotism and draconian restrictions are medical tyranny.

Even temporary restrictions in the name of saving the infrastructure that supports the people's freedoms?

 

[dad]

You continue to try to introduce other subjects to distract from these falsehoods you are propagating.

You false notion that the medical professionals who suggest lockdowns are bad is not my problem, nor your foolish false accusations.

 

[dad]

Even temporary restrictions in the name of saving the infrastructure that supports the people's freedoms?

From politicians that lie and can't be trusted as far as you can throw them? The agenda is deeper than those who make laws though. Strange things are at play in the fields of the Lord.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

From politicians that lie and can't be trusted as far as you can throw them? The agenda is deeper than those who make laws though. Strange things are at play in the fields of the Lord.

Someone has to lead in an emergency and we trust our elected leaders in other matters that restrict our freedom. I mean, some dude in the NSA likely has seen the same revealing and very flattering pictures of me I send my wife when she's away visiting family!

 

[dad]

Someone has to lead in an emergency and we trust our elected leaders in other matters that restrict our freedom. I mean, some dude in the NSA likely has seen the same revealing and very flattering pictures of me I send my wife when she's away visiting family!

When the danger is a fraction of a percent for healthy people 65 and under, draconian measures for all are dangerous.

 

[exchemist]

You false notion that the medical professionals who suggest lockdowns are bad is not my problem, nor your foolish false accusations.

No indeed, false statements like the ones you are making are our collective problem, across the world.

It is people disseminating malice like this which add so much to the difficulties of controlling and conquering this virus.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

When the danger is a fraction of a percent for healthy people 65 and under, draconian measures for all are dangerous.

A fraction of a percent that is capable of overwhelming hospitals and causing the deaths of millions of people.