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LyricalDutchess:
Do you believe what it is written in the Genesis about God creating the world in 6 days, and creating man out of soil or earth, and Eve out of Adam's rib, or Adam and his descendants living 930 years, more or less?
Do you all this, literally in the Genesis? Or do you think the Genesis passages are metaphor or allegory?
LyricalDutchess:
Do you believe what it is written in the Genesis about God creating the world in 6 days, and creating man out of soil or earth, and Eve out of Adam's rib, or Adam and his descendants living 930 years, more or less?
Do you all this, literally in the Genesis? Or do you think the Genesis passages are metaphor or allegory?
Jesus is the Word described at John 1:1, but he did not create the world. Rather, he was used by his Father, Jehovah, to bring all other things into existence.
Again, the JW type teaching is that Jesus is not God and must be created. It is the Trinity belief that the bible shows in many places that Jesus is God and uncreated. Even John 1:1-3 says Jesus(word) was already there in the beginning and that nothing was created apart from Jesus(including Jesus himself). John also confirms to us at 1John1:1-5 that the Word (Jesus) is Eternal. Besides no where i have seen says Jesus was created before creation.This Word, or Lo′gos, was God’s only direct creation, the only-begotten son of God, and evidently the close associate of God to whom God was speaking when he said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness.” (Ge 1:26)
My answer is quit simple. Jesus is the Image of God and one cannot create without his Image. (and spirit) I see this as no different than saying, I made breakfast through my hands.Hence John continued, saying: “This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.”—Joh 1:2, 3.
Some people will use this verse to say Jesus isnt God, yet they miss the fact that it also says "One Lord Jesus"... Does that mean the Father is no longer Lord? (or vise versa) Context is showing us that none of these other "so-called" gods matter or exist. To us its one system of belief which includes the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.Other scriptures plainly show that the Word was God’s agent through whom all other things came into existence. There is “one God the Father, out of whom all things are, . . . and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are.” (1Co 8:6)
The NIV translates Rev 3:14 as Jesus being the "Ruler" of the creation of God. Some people will say Jesus is created, but this is dangerous because you are also saying the Word is Not eternal, Jesus didnt "really" create, not worshipped, not prayed(talked) to, and many more they drag our Lord Jesus down just enough to maybe be dangerous to ones Soul. The Greek word for Beginning here is "ARCHE" and the English word most like it is "[FONT="]ArchitectThe Word, God’s Son, was “the beginning of the creation by God,” otherwise described as “the firstborn of all creation;
Very dangerous to look at Gods Image, the one who expresses God fully right in the Face and say, "NOT GOD"... Read 1 Corinthians 12:12-22 and then Read 1 Cor 10:1-4Jesus is not God, therefore, and only Jehovah is rightly called the Creator (Revelation 4:11)
The NIV translates Rev 3:14 as Jesus being the "Ruler" of the creation of God.Jesus didnt "really" create, not worshipped, not prayed(talked) to, and many more they drag our Lord Jesus down just enough to maybe be dangerous to ones Soul. The Greek word for Beginning here is "ARCHE" and the English word most like it is "[FONT="]Architect[/FONT] " or in other words, Jesus is the Architect of the creation of God.
Some people will say Jesus is created, but this is dangerous because you are also saying the Word is Not eternal,
Jesus is the Firstborn over Gods creation! Firstborn is a Jewish term meaning Heirship.
Not to overlook the Father being called the "Beginning and End" of all Creation, yet that doesnt mean he has a beginning nor an End. So it is no wonder why we see Jesus also being called the Beginning of Creation as he is exactly like the Father expressing him 100%. (Heb 1:3)
What John says:
Word is Jesus; this is implied with God was made flesh and lived among them (humans). [1:14]
It says that the Word is God (which is the reason why some Christians believed that Jesus is God), and the Word is with God. [1:1]
The Word is God's "only begotten son". [1:18] (Which to my mind, contradicts Word being God from 1:1; can a father be a son?)
Word existed before the world was ever created. [1:2]
And that the Word was involved in the creation: [1:3]
Well, I want to a poll on John's version.
Do you believe what John wrote literally? That Jesus have existed before the creation, and was involved with the creation?
Or do you believe that can only be understood as a metaphor?
Do you see here how Jesus is explaining that light is being separated from darkness? In John 1 Jesus is referred to as the word, and in John 3 that word separates the light from the darkness. It is a clear usage of the creation account in Genesis. Creation was happening there and then as Jesus was preaching. He became the 'Author and finisher' of the faith.John 3:19-20 said:And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one who does evil hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
Hi Tom, the title says Did Jesus create the world?
My answer to this is simple and to the point.
No.
Jensen