I'm sure it is your right but what exactly do you want to achieve here? That is what is confusing me. No one on this forum can change anything about the Mormon faith even if they wanted to. Are you just wanting to vent or is there something else you are trying to accomplish?
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Joseph Smith Was Not A Martyr
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Witch of Hope
Member
Also if Ias a silly German come from silly Germany, I is to be thought not so silly that I or someone else could change a little bit alone. However, I know from the church history of the Mormons that changings only happened by pressure from outside (Society). Polygamy was (officially abolished, and non-whites received the priesthood. Mormons may sell as "a revelation", but their own documents say something else in addition. But this isn't here the place to discuss this.
I would like to try to return on the real subject thread, namely of the question, why Joseph Smith is seen as a martyr by Mormons.
McBell
Unbound
Because he fits the Mormon definition of the word martyr.
I mean, it really is not all the difficult to figure out.
It does not matter one bit if you do not like that fact.
It does not matter one bit if you dislike the definition of martyr.
It does not matter if you believe something different.
The FACT is that Mormons see Joseph Smith as a martyr and that is that.
Witch of Hope
Member
Do I understand you right? You mean because I would be homosexual, would I hate the church? Do you know what silly prejudices and precondemnations are? Exactly that what you do!
I would have to hate rather a reason the church (what I don't do) because she hadn't protected me against the violence of my father. I would have rather reason to hate the church (what I don't do), for that what was done by their negligence to my children. Or my mother and my half-sister. I don't do it because I know that hatred changes the people negatively. One can't think any more objectively, and to me it was always important, already when I had worked for my service on having an essentially clear head.
I say once again whether you want to believe it or not: I don't hate the church, but I "hate" what they does to protect their power. Small headword in connection with Proposition 8 in addition: NOM (National Organization for Marrige) which is in suspicion to be a "camouflage organization" of the Mormons. In the case of the ban of the same-sex-marriage in Hawaii they had already tried it (links in addition I supply later with pleasure if requested).
Witch of Hope
Member
But why? Need they a martyr? For what? To have a legitimation of their faith? And what is with the "normal" meaning of a martyr? Didn't count this?
McBell
Unbound
Why does any cause or religion have martyrs?
I have no idea if they NEED one or not.
What difference does it make to you either way?
I mean, does their having a martyr somehow interfere with your personal beliefs?
See above.
Are you saying that martyrs give legitimation to ones faith?
How does work, exactly?
The "normal" definition of the word 'martyr' is presented in post #11.
By a Mormon no less.
Did not count what?
Whether you recognize it or not, you hate the church. Your posts are permeate with animosity.
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
So how exactly was Mr. Smith killed?
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
No wants to change the Mormonisn, just warn those involved and those considering involvement in it.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
That would make a little bit more sense if you were not involved in a cult of your own.
McBell
Unbound
Touche!!
McBell
Unbound
You don't know?
Haven't you been reading the thread?
Warn them of what? That they have beliefs that are just a tad different from your religion? Those that are Mormon need warning? Why? They obviously are quite happy or they wouldn't be there. I could say the very same thing about Christianity. I would like to warn those that are involved or considering involvement because it just isn't right. Would you agree with that? I don't think so.
Mormons have just as much right to what they believe as you do. People have just as much right to join the Mormon Church as they do your church. In fact, Mormons are Christians so in a way, you are just saying that Mormon is a denomination of Christianty you don't agree with. But that is meaningless because you don't agree with me when I say all Christianty is meaningless do you?
When it comes to religious beliefs, one is as good as the next. They are based on faith and belief. So if someone derives comfort from their particular faith or belief, then why would you want to stop that? You wouldn't like it if secular society tried to limit your version of Christianity. So "do unto others as you would wish them to do unto you". Don't be a hypocrite in other words.
First of all Witch of Hope, I do not think you are silly. You are very obviously upset with the Mormon Church and in many ways you have that right. I just don't think you are doing yourself any good holding on to the anger, but I don't have the right to judge that so I won't. I'm sorry.
DavyCrocket2003
Well-Known Member
By getting shot with a gun? Is that what you're asking?
SoyLeche
meh...
I think it was 5 bullets coupled with a fall from a 2nd story window.
Maybe it only counts as martyrdom if a lion eats you (and only if you didn't try and fight the lion off).
Witch of Hope
Member
I'm NOT a troll! I'm a serious person which was a former LDS and know enough bad stuff about this church that i can open many threads.
McBell
Unbound
Actions speak much louder than words...