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Judaism and Eden and Eve

Dimi95

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The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)

Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance (Isaiah 2:4)

The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)

He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8–10)

The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)

Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)

Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)

He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)

All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)

Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)

There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)

All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)

The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)

He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)

Nations will recognize the wrongs they did Israel (Isaiah 52:13–53:5)

For My House (the Temple in Jerusalem) shall be called a house of prayer for all nations (Isaiah 56:3–7)

The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)

The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)

Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)

The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvoth

He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9)

Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33)

He will give you all the desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)

He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13–15, Ezekiel 36:29–30, Isaiah 11:6–9)
Which of these are not fulfilled? Or all of them?
I am just asking , it is data for studying however , it is good to know what others say.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
The situation was that poor pilgrims were exploited by money changers who charged exorbitant rates inside the Temple courts in order to purchase “acceptable” sacrificial animals.
To start with, there is no historical evidence that this was the case. No, religious texts do not count as historical evidence.

Secondly, let's assume that one of the priests was cheating people. If that happens, what you do is take him before a beit din (Jewish tribunal). What you do NOT do is become a vigilante.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
To start with, there is no historical evidence that this was the case. No, religious texts do not count as historical evidence.

Secondly, let's assume that one of the priests was cheating people. If that happens, what you do is take him before a beit din (Jewish tribunal). What you do NOT do is become a vigilante.
There is no historical evidence that it wasn't the case. Its part of the religious narrative. The sacred Temple had become a place of barter, a spiritual teacher ran them out! By necessity you are motivated by a desire to discredit Jesus, yet you accept the Torah as Gods word???? Swats at gnats but swallows camels!
 

Maninthemiddle

Active Member
For the Jewish adherents
Was Eve a real person? Was she actually unaware of morality prior to eating the apple? And if so, how could she sin prior to having an understanding of sin?
Of coarse she had an understanding as the rules were given to her according to the story.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Judaism and Eden and Eve

Judaism did not exist at those time and Torah, as I understand, is neither a Word by Word dictated by G-d nor, one must say, it is even written or dictated by Moses, so no direct resource from the period in question, please, right?

Regards
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
Of coarse she had an understanding as the rules were given to her according to the story.
The question that you are answering is, Did Eve understand the semantic content of the words that came out of God's mouth?

The question I am asking is, How could Eve have a sense of moral obligation to follow the rules explained to her without first having a sense of morality.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
There is no historical evidence that it wasn't the case.

There is, actually. The area we're talking about held thousands of people at one time. The story asks us to believe that one angry dude with a whip stopped the commerce of a football stadium-sized group of people and that somehow he, "would not allow anyone to carry anything through the temple." (Mark 11:16) As history, it's absurd.
 
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