Judaism, Christianity, and Islam!

[wizanda]

2) Christanity did not force people to become Christian, they willingly converted.

So at secondary school, when I was taught religious education, why was it only Christianity?

When I have a beard as I follow Nazarite laws, why is that not accepted as globally holy?

When our festivals are all Christian orientated, who has a chance of escaping these, when they are wrong….

Why do people invade my privacy by knocking on my door and force feeding my family Christianity, which I know and can show where is wrong….

Why do our politicians, presume to use Christianity as a weapon of mass destruction.

Why do people shout at me and give me Christian leaflets in the street….

Plus loads more and haven’t even started on murdering our ‘arch-bishop’ (head of UK Church 666AD), so all Pagan UK traditions could easily be accumulated as being Christianity….plus then rescaling our musical notation, so all music is depressing and incorrect…..

The weird bit is like with the Nazarite (Zan-A-rites) laws, i follow and know Yeshua personally....
i was raised in a large Christian family....so its not being bias, just willing to look for the truth and not settle for things that are wrong…
Yeshua was the Christ and is to be.....
Christianity follows the Pharisees and is against him...

So personally feel, maybe we need another religion to at least give people a chance to follow Christ, without having to be force fed Christianity.

 

[James the Persian]

That is a grossly ignorant statement. The forced conversion of Jews is well documented.

Not just Jews either. Pagans were forced by various Christian rulers to convert and the conversion of the last pagans in England, on the Isle of Wight, was particularly brutal. Nobody's faith is served by trying to cover up historical abuses and pretending they have never happened. Persecution, forced conversion and the like have most certainly been perpetrated in the name of Christianity, as they have in the name of Islam, and many other faiths. Thankfully, I believe that this is mostly, if not entirely, behind us as far as my faith is concerned. It would be nice if I could say the same about Islam, but that would be lying. Whether it is consistent with the faith or iconsistent, it is undeniably the case that many muslim societies continue to mistreat and forcefully convert the religious minorities amongst them.

James

 

[wizanda]

The problem with the Muslim point is atrocious, reason being the Quran says the books are one...that is the way of Islam (submit to teh way of peace).......
Those who don't understand, take a portion of the books received...
Yet if a portion of a cake, how do you see the whole thing....
So I would declare the religion is traditions and is not Islamic…else how can it be a Criterion of something else, if it means "a way to judge something"….

 

[maro]

This is an exaggeration. The Copts in Egypt are mistreated and discriminated against. They are often forbidden to even repair their churches when they fall into disrepair, they are still (particularly the girls) often forced to convert to Islam against their will and then killed if the convert back to Christianity because that makes them Apostates. Not for nothing do the Copts traditionally tattoo themselves with crosses and not for nothing are there so many of them living in exile in the west. If you want to prove how nice Islam and Muslims have been to Christians in the lands the Arabs conquered, you need a different example (and one i don't actually believe exists), because the Copts are not it. About the best treatment of Christians I now of in any Arab country is Syria (and formerly Iraq), but this is under a secular Baathist regime. Islam has always mistreated Christian and other dhimmis (even if at some times less severely than at others).

James

, lies ,lies lies .... , i got tired from people who lie so confidently about a country i am supposed to live in ,

in islam ,we have something called (7okok ahl al ketab ) "the rights of people of the scripture " ,

it's true that muslims are supposed to treat all people kindly and fairly ,but islam stressed on the the rights of those who embrace the other two abrahamic religions in particular

 

[maro]

If Christians are being mistreated by Muslims in the Middle East, they are clearly working in contrary to the teachings of the Prophet.

"And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), those who believe in Allah and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before Allah. They do not sell the Verses of Allah for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, Allah is Swift in account" 3:199~ Holy Qu'ran

Certainly history shows that Judaism, Christianity and Islam have experienced periods of "forced" conversions and the vile treatment of people that did not believe in what was revealed by Moses, Jesus and Muhammed. The Prophet Muhammed never had the intention of taking up the sword to fight as he had always treated Christians and Jews with the utmost respect. It was not until they were heavily persecuted and attacked by the unbelievers that they fought in the path of Islam. And you must remember that Muhammed always attempted to take the peaceful route before actually going into battle. Look at how Makkah was finally taken by the Muslims..Without a drop of blood being shed upon the Holy City.

well said :clap

 

[3ashah]

But here you're mixing religion and politics. Yes the majority of the time it does happen, that politics and religions get mixed up.. but you are doing it right now and although at times its confusing to tell whether the wars caused are of a religious nature or of a political nature, I dont think its right to blame all these wars on religion.

Obviously, the people who started the wars needed support, and what better way to gain this support, than simply to get in touch with peoples beliefs and make them believe as though you're doing it for those very beliefs.

Right now what people know of these religions is that they are violent and aggressive, and all about war, but then again, its because this is what's spreading around the world.. all you see is people being bombed, wars starting and these people are claiming that either 'its the good of the country', or 'for religious purposes', not much people hear the people screaming behind the bombs that the war should stop. As Im sure there are many Muslims, Jews and Christians who dont agree with the war.

Im not a christian, but I've studied some history, and the I dont mean to offend anyone, but the Pope clearly did have non-religious motives when killing all those people. There was money involved, with money comes power. Similarly, there are many out there who are also doing it for their own purposes, but like I said, they just use the name of religion, just to make their cause sound 'right'

 

[worshiper]

But here you're mixing religion and politics. blah blah blah ......

i absolutely agree with you. these so called man of religions have their own agendas. and what better to win support than twisting and misquoting the book of religion to justify their acts. yet the ones to be blamed is the religion itself when in fact it true nature is peace.

and the media arent making it any better. i remember an advertisement of a newly form TV company in my country some time ago. when the person in charge of the news of that company is asked to talk about her role, she said in her last talks which sound something like this ...

"if you have good news come to me. if you have bad news come to me. but i prefer bad news coz bad news is always good news to me"

kinda like the saying "if it bleeds it leads"
i believe a lot of news reporters hold on to this principles. because in the end, it will all comes down to "profit".

 

[Angelfire]

I believe that in the western part of the world where I live the religions that have had them most profound impact on history thus far are of course Jewdism, Christianity, and Islam.

I say that because they all have left drastic effects on the world such as causing wars and the creation of various nations. Even in todays world we see not only a dispute between Christians and Muslims but Muslims are also fighting amongst them selves. Jews and Christians today may claim their religion is of a peaceful nature but if you were to reflect upon historical events you would see that history states other wise. One key example being that in order for the Jews to even get their nation of Israel they had to take it from some one else. Read the old testament and you will find that Jews were vary agressive back then just like Muslims are today. Quite a bit of the old testament is a recording of war and conquering different nations. Any military mind can tell you that the Torah is a guide book for war.

Now on to Christianity during the Middle Ages the Christians had a hay day with torturing and murdering "non-christians": by which I mean any one whom was not catholic! Any variations of Christianity of the time were wipped out by the Catholics because they were thought of as "Satanic"! The Catholic Church at the time had a considerable amount of power but it wanted MORE! So they went on the Crusades where they murdered countless people and in some situations they would rip the flesh from the bodies of there dead foes and eat it while drinking their blood. In the name of CHRIST these actions took place against Muslims, Jews, and Non-Catholics alike.

Current events show that Islam like its two brother religions is a Theology of War and a path toward death and destruction. Most Western religions evloved in much the same way where the only way to expand its self is through war and fear.

Love your neighbor as yourself does not mean go and chop him into little bits.

 

[powder21]

I HAVE to point out something I said in a previous post. It is not the religions that are wrong, it is the mistakes that are carried out in their name.

 

[Smoke]

1) Judaism did not force people to convert to Judaism, children were born into it.

2) Christanity did not force people to become Christian, they willingly converted.

3) The sucessors of Mohammed forced millions to convert or die.

There are numerous instances of forced conversion to Christianity, and a few cases of forced conversion to Judaism, as well. And Judaism is the religion that invented genocide.

there are still coptic christians in egypt enjoying all their civil rights ,and hundreds of churches

Yeah, they enjoy all their civil rights. Someday maybe they'll enjoy the same civil rights as Muslims.

 

[Smoke]

Obviously, the people who started the wars needed support, and what better way to gain this support, than simply to get in touch with peoples beliefs and make them believe as though you're doing it for those very beliefs.

Why do you suppose that always works so well?