The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
I know I did. Sleeppy, were you referring to human children or goats?
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Judaism: Who wrote it?
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I know I did. Sleeppy, were you referring to human children or goats?
Why do you think this law did not originate with God?
Jedster
Flying through space
I was brought up in an orthodox Jewish environment and was taught that God made a covenant with the Jews. This never excluded God making covenants with other people(s).
The various opinions amongst Jews is summed up quite well in his link and is not how many of you on this thread would like to think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_as_the_chosen_people
Basically, religious Jews believe that God made a covenant with them for all time.
As I see it, many religious Christians say God changed his mind
and many religious Muslims say he changed his mind..again, and let's not forget
the Bahais..:>)
.. I haven't come across any post-Bahais in the 'Abrahamic' world yet:>)
Simply put religious Jews don't believe God changed his mind and remain true to to that.
In my experience, most believers of a religion believe that their way is true.
The various opinions amongst Jews is summed up quite well in his link and is not how many of you on this thread would like to think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_as_the_chosen_people
Basically, religious Jews believe that God made a covenant with them for all time.
As I see it, many religious Christians say God changed his mind
and many religious Muslims say he changed his mind..again, and let's not forget
the Bahais..:>)
.. I haven't come across any post-Bahais in the 'Abrahamic' world yet:>)
Simply put religious Jews don't believe God changed his mind and remain true to to that.
In my experience, most believers of a religion believe that their way is true.
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Flankerl
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Lie after lie.
rosends
Well-Known Member
If he knew the nature of the corruption, why couldn't he?
rosends
Well-Known Member
Whoa there fella -- before you shift the burden on to me to explain something, just confirm how I understand your position. Are you saying that if you don't understand it, it can't be authentic? Try to stick with one line of thought.
rosends
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Arguing about the fairness of history and military conquest is quite different from what the earlier poster wrote, "Judaism teaches that Jews are racially superior over others and that non-jews are worse than dogs." Are you endorsing that when you start with the statement "I can understand the racism against non Jews"? Are you taking the position that there is inherent racism in the Jewish religion? Are you saying that there used to be but isn't now, and there was as evidenced by biblical accounts of the military events?
The Hebrew text doesn't say "be kind to the stranger."
rosends
Well-Known Member
You have errors on 2 different levels. You aren't doing a very good job of teaching Jews about Judaism when you make basic errors in your assertions.
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
It is because of the interpolation by the narrators,scribes and the Jewish clergy. Yahweh is not racial:
[1:1]In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[1:2]All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=1
Regards[1:2]All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=1
Where does it say in the Tanakh that God prefers one people group over another? I'm pretty sure it says he created one man and woman thereby creating the whole of humanity. Would it have been better if he had chosen a gentile ethnic group over the Jews?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Where does it say in the Tanakh that God prefers one people group over another? I'm pretty sure it says he created one man and woman thereby creating the whole of humanity. Would it have been better if he had chosen a gentile ethnic group over the Jews?[/QUOTE]
It is the Jews who say that they are the Chosen People. Do they deny it?
Regards
rosends
Well-Known Member
- Being chosen to do something isn't the same as being preferred. Do you understand the Jewish notion of chosenness or are you projecting your own interpretation?
Tumah
Veteran Member
How are you finding something to respond to in this thread???
I'm still trying to figure out whether the OP thinks a kid is a child.
Imaginary_Friends
Member
Exiled Judahites returning to Judah.
Yes. A significant portion of Modern Jews collude for the betterment of their own and at many times at the detriment of others. A few examples would be the acquisition of mass media, predatory banking and the exploitation of American Middle East foreign policy favoring Israel ( Invasion of Iraq, war drums for Iran).
One can see the racism illustrated on a individual level with non-Israeli liberal Jews. Non-Israeli Liberal Jews detest the 2nd amendment and rail how Trump's professed policies are hateful and bigoted. Yet these Liberal Jews support Israel. Israel has implemented all of Trump's policies.
Israel has;
Refused all Syrian refugees.
Builds border walls.
Allows civilian gun ownership.
Preferential immigration policies, particularly not favoring Muslims.
The other is almost all Jews support Bernie Sanders. Tribal affinity?
These 2nd set of standards is Tribalism at best and racism at worst. Are all Jews racist? Of course not. But being Jewish does give a free pass at bigotry and racism.
That's a disingenuous rationalization. The old testament is clearly a ethnocentric theology. Didn't Yahweh make covenants with the Jews?
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As opposed to who?
The USA founding fathers? The Chinese Politburo? The oil kings, from the USA to the GCC? The feminists, NAACP, or WN?
One thing I have noticed is that Jewish culture, over all, is the comparatively modern morality. By that, I mean morality that is superior to the tribal mentality that is painfully common amongst humans over all.
Tom
You mean the super ancient parts? The parts that were old when Jesus was born? Like, centuries old?
Tom
rosends
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I will answer once, just so that third parties will see that your ramblings have simple answers. You will, no doubt, r3egroup and restate, but at that point, I will ignore so as not to add fuel to your dangerous racism. First, the accusation that "Jews collude" is the same historical canard which has led to pogroms, inquisitions and expulsions. You create a "big bad" and decide that it controls the world and that's why you can't get ahead. Odds are, you can't get ahead because you are, personally, inadequate. Granted, I can't be sure, but it takes someone with a pronounced inferiority complex to embrace such a ridiculous conspiracy theory (Jews control the media, the banks and drive US policy...ZOG all the way) and people usually develop incredible inferiority complexes because they are inferior.
Non-Israeli liberal Jews are often liberal politically in the US. The liberals in the US are in favor of gun control, regardless of religion. You want to cnnct it to religion, but conveniently ignore the non-Israeli liberal Hews who are in favor of gun ownership and the large number of moderate or conservative (politically) Jews in the US. As for supporting Israel, one can believe in US gun control and still support a Zionist state which has different domestic policies. And, newsflash, Israel had policies well before Trump stated them. You are now saying that Israel is a vassal state of Donald Trump. Bizarre.
Wait, what? I thought you were talking about Jews. Now suddenly you are talking about the policies of a political entity which has a government with Jews, Muslims and Christians in it?
shhh http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/30/w...srael-quietly-aids-syrian-civilians.html?_r=0
and you might want to review this little fact, "Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates (UAE), Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain have refused to offer sanctuary to a single Syrian refugee" then review this information, https://www.quora.com/What-European-countries-have-refused-to-take-in-Syrian-refugees
Just like so many other countries. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205724/How-65-countries-erected-security-walls-borders.html
Of course, most of it is a fence, not a wall (only 5% is a wall).
So you believe that no civilian should be allowed to own a gun? You should probably review the laws around the world. Start in Argentina.
Israel has policies which allow immigration and a fast track to citizenship to Jews, this is true. But can you show me where in Israeli law, there is any distinction made about immigration and citizenship between Muslims and other religions?
Based on what study? I live in a neighborhood with a few more Jews than yours and no one around here supports him. But no doubt, you know better than actual Jews.
Apparently, so does being an anonymous keyboard jockey lacking a basic understanding of statistics, intellectual honesty and the use of Google.
A covenant, yes. The text is ethnocentric because it tells the story of one group as written for that one group. Is the Quran ethnocentric because it doesn't tell about life in China?
So, go on and make your inevitable hate filled (and factually empty) rebuttal. I will go and have a light lunch and laugh at your foolish statements.
roger1440
I do stuff
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
gnostic
The Lost One
What logic?
I have never known paarsurrey to be logical on any topic.
And his definition on what is real or authentic is laughable at the best of times.
rosends
Well-Known Member
sure. But why trust me? Just read up on it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_as_the_chosen_people
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-alan-lurie/jews-gods-chosen-people_b_1079821.html
http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/jewsaschosenpeople.htm
Does that help?