Judas.

[whereismynotecard]

I don't know where to put this thread, but it's just a really simple question that probably just about everyone here knows.

Judas betrayed Christ, but what exactly did he do to betray him? I'm sure some of you could recite the passages from the bible and whatnot, but I'd rather just have a few sentences answering the question, just a general answer, not something huge that will take me more than a minute or so to read.


In my english class, we are reading Silence, and the guy always talks about Judas and Christ, and all of my class seems to know what that's all about, and I know Judas did something, but I never read the bible, and don't really want to. I just want to know what exactly Judas did to betray Christ.

I know some of you will think I'm an idiot, since everyone in the world knows every story in the bible, but I don't.

 

[Scott C.]

I don't know where to put this thread, but it's just a really simple question that probably just about everyone here knows.

Judas betrayed Christ, but what exactly did he do to betray him? I'm sure some of you could recite the passages from the bible and whatnot, but I'd rather just have a few sentences answering the question, just a general answer, not something huge that will take me more than a minute or so to read.


In my english class, we are reading Silence, and the guy always talks about Judas and Christ, and all of my class seems to know what that's all about, and I know Judas did something, but I never read the bible, and don't really want to. I just want to know what exactly Judas did to betray Christ.

I know some of you will think I'm an idiot, since everyone in the world knows every story in the bible, but I don't.

For a small amount of money, Judas led the officers to Jesus at the Garden of Gethsemane. He said he would give a kiss to Christ to signify who he was. He showed up with the officers, kissed Christ, and Christ was taken prisoner and crucified. Judas knew Jesus would be crucified and helped send him to death for money.

 

[Nikodemus]

He sold Jesus out to the Romans. He identified him with a kiss on the cheek for thirty pieces of silver.

 

[whereismynotecard]

Owch... What a jerk. Thanks for answering.

 

[Charity]

You have good answers Hannah, so I won't elaborate on it. But I guess what would have hurt worse was Judas was a disciple who walked, slept and ate with Jesus, and to betrayed by someone so close to you would hurt a lot worse than if it came from a stranger.

 

[whereismynotecard]

You have good answers Hannah, so I won't elaborate on it. But I guess what would have hurt worse was Judas was a disciple who walked, slept and ate with Jesus, and to betrayed by someone so close to you would hurt a lot worse than if it came from a stranger.

Indeed it would.

 

[Dunemeister]

I'd point out that Judas didn't intend for Jesus to get crucified. As Jesus said at the time of his arrest, he could have summoned legions of angels to help him. Judas believed this. He wanted Jesus to summon them. Judas was looking for a military messiah, much like many others of his day. And in that respect, he wasn't much different from the other disciples, who likewise expected Jesus to assume a military mantle sooner or later.

 

[rock hop]

So to add confusion to the point of betrayal, was it mere betrayal or a grand instigation that went awry. Was Judas meant to betray at the behest of Christ, there are claims of a Book of Judas, it may shed light or it may simply condemn. Finish the book you are reading in English class, with the assumption that it is the discourse of betrayal and deceit but decide for yourself whether the actions fit the description.

 

[Delamere]

There is a book claiming to be by Judas which was written centuries after Judas committed suicide. It is a pseudograph produced by a sub-Christian sect.

 

[Charity]

There is a book claiming to be by Judas which was written centuries after Judas committed suicide. It is a pseudograph produced by a sub-Christian sect.

If your referring to the book of Jude in the New Testament of the Holy Bible, it is believed to be written by the brother of Jesus, named Judas or by Judas another disciple of Christ who was the son of James and his name was referred to as Thaddaeus. Judas or Jude being used for Thaddaeus.

 

[Caladan]

I would dive more into the story than be satisfied with betrayal for thirty pieces of silver. we are talking about Jews here, whats 30 pieces of silver for handing over God's son?

 

[lunamoth]

If your referring to the book of Jude in the New Testament of the Holy Bible, it is believed to be written by the brother of Jesus, named Judas or by Judas another disciple of Christ who was the son of James and his name was referred to as Thaddaeus. Judas or Jude being used for Thaddaeus.

Hi Charity, Interesting, I did not know that.

There is a text called "The Gospel of Judas" which has recently been discovered and translated. It was written later than the canonical gospels and is Gnostic in its presentation.

 

[Squaell]

When i think about it , "it was the worst deal on earth what judas did." very sad he not just betray Jesus but for 30 silver he sold his own soul to hell.

 

[Buttons*]

Hi Charity, Interesting, I did not know that.

There is a text called "The Gospel of Judas" which has recently been discovered and translated. It was written later than the canonical gospels and is Gnostic in its presentation.

I think this is what he was referring to. It's Gnostic in nature for sure. That gospel, if you're curious, says that Yeshua actually chose Judas to betray him, because without Yeshua's sacrifice, no one would be saved. So, Judas begged Yeshua not to bestow this on him, but Yeshua said "you understand more than the others, you must do this because you are enlightened." (paraphrasing) BUT... if you're not Gnostic, it doesn't make much sense. (Though to me, it makes perfect sense.... if Yeshua had to die to make a point, than Judas would actually be doing Yeshua a favor by betraying him....)

Just to bring clarity to the situation. I don't mean to derail it. Now back to your scheduled program

 

[Squaell]

Yeshua actually chose Judas to betray him, because without Yeshua's sacrifice, no one would be saved. So, Judas begged Yeshua not to bestow this on him, but Yeshua said "you understand more than the others, you must do this because you are enlightened."

This way it would be not righterous so it is not true !

Righterous way is to pick 11 good person 1 evil and let the nature do rest , so he betrayed him because of his nature.
You want t do even from a bad person angel. And after he suicided him because of what ? I hate such people they twist everything to suit their imagination.

 

[Delilah Roo]

If judas has not sold out jeasus, then he would not of been crucified and he would not of been able to reserect himself, Right? Don't all christians owe the foundation of their religion to Judas? Everyone (in general) seems so hostile to him.

I know the Jeasus story from Jeasus Christ Superstar, so if I am incorrect, then please correct me!

Thanks - D

 

[Buttons*]

This way it would be not righterous so it is not true !

Righterous way is to pick 11 good person 1 evil and let the nature do rest , so he betrayed him because of his nature.
You want t do even from a bad person angel.

You'll have to write this again, I can't understand what you said. Do you mean righteous?

In the meantime, I'll try to give you some clarity. So what you are arguing is this: Yeshua made a mistake in choosing at least one of his 12 disciples?

I don't buy that. Especially because it makes no sense that an omni-God in human form would not be able to spot a traitor from 200 miles away. So here's what we have: Yeshua, the most perfect being to walk the Earth. He has God's powers. Judas "betrayed" Yeshua. BUT If Yeshua hadn't died on the cross, we wouldn't be saved.

I think Yeshua would have HAD to know that Judas would betray him. But God does not make mistakes. But we can take your idea and say that he deliberately chose an unworthy, backstabbing disciple who would eventually betray him (thus making him responsible for his own death anyway, not righteous)....

OR we can assume that Yeshua didn't actually make a mistake at all, and that this was all done deliberately. Is it not more of a sacrifice to betray your own teacher whom you love dearly? If this is what happened, it's natural that the guilt would have made him commit suicide. Bad people don't feel guilty for what they do - just ask a serial killer. I go with the latter - partly because it's in my religious texts, and secondly because it makes more sense than: God was just flawed or unrighteous.

And after he suicided him because of what ? I hate such people they twist everything to suit their imagination.

It's not twisted to suit my imagination, my holy text says it. Sorry if you don't like it.

 

[Thief]

Thief here...
None of you got it right.

First, you must read and compare the four gospels.
They are different any one from the others.
Then you must carefully see the event as if you are one of the characters.

Picture yourself as Judas.
You've been following the Carpenter for some time...why?
Because He maybe...and shows all the ability...of becoming the Messiah.
A Jewish king...on a Jewish throne.
The country is occupied...by Romans...and the Messiah will be the one
Who will free the people of God and set Jerusalem on high.

Toward the end of His ministry you hear catch phrases that give cause to wonder what the Carpenter is really up to.

When approached by the Pharisees, you are questioned about what has been said...what is the intent. Insurrection is a serious offense under Roman law. Are you party to such intent?

Then at the Passover meal...on the highest sabbath of the Jewish calender,
the Carpenter is heard to say...
"Do this in remembrance of Me."
The Passover is for Moses and the Exodus....it's not very Jewish to set Moses aside.
And the kingdom you wanted, will not happen by His hand.

In the eyes of Judas...the Carpenter is a false prophet...preaching the kingdom of God...and setting Moses aside...and professing common law.
The money was only a coincidence.

 

[Buttons*]

In the eyes of Judas...the Carpenter is a false prophet...preaching the kingdom of God...and setting Moses aside...and professing common law.
The money was only a coincidence.

It's possible, but so are any of the other guesses. None of us were there.

 

[Thief]

Thief here....
Rendering a discussion to a guess...is alright. I don't mind.

But I'm not really guessing.

Whenever you read a story, the characters are on display...and you are at will, to apply what you are able to discern.
If the story is well told...you don't have to guess...you are being told.
If the story has more than one perspective...then you must think about it.

Discerning the motives of a character...any story...is not that difficult.
Anyone could have realized the same perspective I see.

Strange thing is...no one ever told me to be intuitive in this way.
It is seems so natural, for me to do so.

I can see why Judas performed as he did.
He actually thought he should go to the pharisees. Jesus was not about becoming a Jewish king on a Jewish throne.
But that is what Judas wanted, and it was not going to happen.
In spite of the miracles he witnessed, and all the parables he had heard,
Judas did not believe Jesus would be the Messiah.
And he was right.
Jesus did not become that Jewish king, on a Jewish throne.

When Judas went to the pharisees, to inform them of the Carpenter's whereabouts, Judas did not believe he was betraying the Son of God.
He thought he was doing what he must to uphold the faith and the prophecy...of his people.
If Jesus had come to power...as an earthly king...the Jewish faith would now be quite different.