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Judge halts implementation of Trump's immigration order

Curious George

Veteran Member
But I am sure you do realize that their religion is full of violence, do you realize that ?????.
I prefer my government secular. If we need to consider religion it should be done so in a way that is narrowly construed to severyone a compelling government interest. This was not done so.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Rarely have the ends justified the means in the past? What has changed that you think they will so now?
There is a threat coming from one group that isn't coming from another. In times of war innocent people suffer discrimination. I'm not saying the ends justify the means but sometimes such measures are necessary to keep a country secure.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
I wish it was that easy, but its not, its all about our freedom being taken away from us, and replaced with a nightmare of ignorance.
A poster here on rf once while visiting one of his favorite coffee shops realized he was one with everything. I would think such a revelation would preclude instantiating ideas of us. vs. them. You see avoiding compromising founding principles as destructive toward our freedom, I see such a compromise as destructive. I am not sure we will agree. I know that to me secular government is very important.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
A poster here on rf once while visiting one of his favorite coffee shops realized he was one with everything. I would think such a revelation would preclude instantiating ideas of us. vs. them. You see avoiding compromising founding principles as destructive toward our freedom, I see such a compromise as destructive. I am not sure we will agree. I know that to me secular government is very important.
I don't know about all that, but I do know that we are better of without that trash, and as I always say, the radicals!!.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
"In order to protect Americans, the United States must ensure that those admitted to this country do not bear hostile attitudes toward it and its founding principles," Trump states
He did not ban those from countries who have actually been terrorists because he has business dealings with them. He banned those from countries where he has no business dealings. Fortunately his immoral acts were stopped.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Is there a way to screen radicals or threats to our countries without involving religious discrimination and favoritism?
That's been going on for years. None of those admitted from those countries have been terrorists. But the extreme right refuses to admit to facts because they hate accurate facts.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't know about all that, but I do know that we are better of without that trash, and as I always say, the radicals!!.

I agree people are better off without trash in general. Therefore, let me know when at least 85% of conservative politicians are out of business in your country. :D
 
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sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
There is a threat coming from one group that isn't coming from another. In times of war innocent people suffer discrimination. I'm not saying the ends justify the means but sometimes such measures are necessary to keep a country secure.
I prefer liberty and oppose those who would destroy America in a quest for unattainable perfect security.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
That's been going on for years. None of those admitted from those countries have been terrorists. But the extreme right refuses to admit to facts because they hate accurate facts.
I don't imagine that this is endgame but an anticipated act that would be met with anticipated scrutiny in a play on a larger board.
 
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