Judge not lest you be judged you Obama false accusers

[Wirey]

There's a difference between "opinions" and "facts", and I did differentiate between the two in my response.

In my 'opinion' the internet does not contain 'facts'. That's what makes me so 'spectacular'.

 

[Iti oj]

Why is it that those that judged Bush so harshly are so concerned about Obama being judge?
Do not assume that it goes only one way, as it doesn't.

Obama won by a land slide. Bush stole the election.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Obama won by a land slide. Bush stole the election.

That fact goes ignored far too often. Governor Bush did not actually win in 2000. He did not win the popular vote, and a smoke-and-mirrors scandal in Florida only gave him the illusion of having won the state. But even academically this is ignored, and is widely viewed as an anomaly in the Republican/Democrat swing of power, when in reality it was congruent with historical trends but Al Gore tucked his tail and corruption won.

 

[factseeker88]

Obama won by a land slide. Bush stole the election.

Not Bush, The Republican Supreme court. They stopped the Florida counting, which was leaning toward Al Gore, and made Bush president. He recklessly started wars that killed and maimed thousands of US soldiers. Had Gore been elected, none of those tragedies would have happened. So the real blame falls on the Supreme court who played God, not what their constitution said.



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[Sunstone]

Why is it that those that judged Bush so harshly are so concerned about Obama being judge?
Do not assume that it goes only one way, as it doesn't.

The entire country rallied about Bush after 9/11. His popularity ratings went almost to the ceiling overnight. We gave him his chance, but he screwed things up so bad for us that at the end of his term, he polled only 28% approval. Even sensible Republicans disapproved of him by then.

 

[Sunstone]

... but Al Gore tucked his tail and corruption won.

In all fairness to Gore, what was he to do after the Supreme Court had ruled? There is no higher court. So wouldn't his only option have been at that point to either cave or declare what would amount to be a civil war?

 

[Sunstone]

The Politico article clearly states MSNBC itself has a heaping portion of "opinions" and goes skimp on "facts." The facts are, real news is hard to come by, and when you find it there is a fairly good chance it isn't American. Even the BBC covers American news better than just about any American network. Fox and MSNBC are both crappy, opinion loaded propaganda machines. They are both a part of the problem in why so many people are misinformed about world events, political and economic labels, and even what someone says because they both hack up events, speeches, and writings and Frankensteins them back together into an out-of-context monstrosity that keeps people focused on the external appearance of the news, rather than presenting them with the real nature of the news.

While MSNBC is not an adequate news source, it is not necessary to draw a false equivalence between MSNBC and FOX. There are five to seven scientific studies that indicated FOX viewers are more poorly informed than MSNBC viewers, and in some cases, more poorly informed than people who do not regularly view the news. There is no real equivalence between the two.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

While MSNBC is not an adequate news source, it is not necessary to draw a false equivalence between MSNBC and FOX. There are five to seven scientific studies that indicated FOX viewers are more poorly informed than MSNBC viewers, and in some cases, more poorly informed than people who do not regularly view the news. There is no real equivalence between the two.

While that is true, they are both rotten and neither one deserves to be called news. They are both a part of the problem, and I can only imagine public political discourse would improve if more people would turn them off.
The gym I go to has several large TVs on a wall, with eight or nine different channels. Both MSNBC and Fox are on display. While I can't hear whats being said, just being able to see them side-by-side and read their tickers reveals there is a world of difference. One thing I noticed, Fox was much more vocal about ISIS being a Sunni Muslim group that we have to send the military to deal with. There is alot more money in the news, and much more doom-and-gloom. MSNBC is more bright, more positive, and their specials seem to focus more on achievements and progress rather than scandals and corruption. Too bad I may not have the opportunity for side-by-side viewing when a Republican becomes president to see how and if the networks change their tone.

 

[esmith]

While that is true, they are both rotten and neither one deserves to be called news. They are both a part of the problem, and I can only imagine public political discourse would improve if more people would turn them off.
The gym I go to has several large TVs on a wall, with eight or nine different channels. Both MSNBC and Fox are on display. While I can't hear whats being said, just being able to see them side-by-side and read their tickers reveals there is a world of difference. One thing I noticed, Fox was much more vocal about ISIS being a Sunni Muslim group that we have to send the military to deal with. There is alot more money in the news, and much more doom-and-gloom. MSNBC is more bright, more positive, and their specials seem to focus more on achievements and progress rather than scandals and corruption. Too bad I may not have the opportunity for side-by-side viewing when a Republican becomes president to see how and if the networks change their tone.

So, you are saying that MSNBC is looking at the world through rose colored glasses?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So, you are saying that MSNBC is looking at the world through rose colored glasses?

I'm saying they are definitely not as negative as Fox, and that it may be potentially due to a Democrat being in the White House. I don't know for sure though. But I probably wont be in the country in two years to really judge that, and if it is six years I probably wont even be on this continent. But I wouldn't exactly call it rose colored glasses because they do report on the bad (the two have covered Iraq and ISIS at the same time multiple times), but they do not blast the screen with messages of doom and fear or show images of people shooting guns and firing missiles like Fox does. Fox is also set in darker colors, whereas MSNBC uses brighter colors (I do not doubt these are very deliberate and intentional choices), which has quite the effect even when MSNBC shows images of war.
Next time I'm at the gym I may plug my headphones into the bike and listen, especially when they are covering the same stories simultaneously.

 

[metis]

So, you are saying that MSNBC is looking at the world through rose colored glasses?

And those who watch Fox "News" do so through dung-colored glasses.

 

[BSM1]

I'm saying they are definitely not as negative as Fox, and

that it may be potentially due to a Democrat being in the White House. I don't know for sure though. But I probably wont be in the country in two years to really judge that, and if it is six years I probably wont even be on this continent. But I wouldn't exactly call it rose colored glasses because they do report on the bad (the two have covered Iraq and ISIS at the same time multiple times), but they do not blast the screen with messages of doom and fear or show images of people shooting guns and firing missiles like Fox does. Fox is also set in darker colors, whereas MSNBC uses brighter colors (I do not doubt these are very deliberate and intentional choices), which has quite the effect even when MSNBC shows images of war.
Next time I'm at the gym I may plug my headphones into the bike and listen, especially when they are covering the same stories simultaneously.

Could you give us a specific example of the negativity found on Fox?

 

[Wirey]

Just out of curiousity, has anyone ever seen Obama's birth certificate?

 

[xkatz]

Just out of curiousity, has anyone ever seen Obama's birth certificate?

Better question yet- did anyone see Obama being born?

 

[Wirey]

Better question yet- did anyone see Obama being born?

Better question yet: If Obama is President, why hasn't the sky fallen?

 

[xkatz]

Better question yet: If Obama is President, why hasn't the sky fallen?

An even better question again- If Obama is real, then why do I still have trouble getting that last bit of the toothpaste out of the bottle?

 

[metis]

An even better question again- If Obama is real, then why do I still have trouble getting that last bit of the toothpaste out?

Toothpaste? I've heard that word before. Hey, up here in the U.P., we just learned how to use soap last week.

 

[xkatz]

Toothpaste? I've heard that word before. Hey, up here in the U.P., we just learned how to use soap last week.

I am still angry at the U.P. for facilitating the creation of "Escanaba in da Moonlight".

 

[metis]

I am still angry at the U.P. for facilitating the creation of "Escanaba in da Moonlight".

You didn't like it? Oh, you have no class!!!

 

[Jensen]

Obama won by a land slide. Bush stole the election.

What has this to do with what I said?