Judging a Religion

[muhammad_isa]

That's extremely vague..

I'm sure you are capable of dotting the i's ..
I judge by what G-d has revealed.

Naturally, atheists judge by their own standards, which is
apparently "sane people judge by the standards of today".

Pretty meaningless to me .. as they are continually changing.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I'm sure you are capable of dotting the i's ..

No, I'm not a mind reader.

I judge by what G-d has revealed.

So you engage in the same circular reasoning as @firedragon
By that logic, the Aztec practice of sacrificing virgins to the weather gods was a good thing as per the Aztec beliefs.

Naturally, atheists judge by their own standards, which is
apparently "sane people judge by the standards of today".

Pretty meaningless to me .. as they are continually changing.

Yeah, progress and moral development are such horrible things...

 

[paarsurrey]

Judging a Religion

I don't agree with the title of the thread, we humans cannot judge a religion, right?

Regards

 

[JustGeorge]

Judging a Religion

I don't agree with the title of the thread, we humans cannot judge a religion, right?

Regards

Why not?

 

[LeftyLen]

How do I? I read the scripture and Ignore what people are doing with it.

In generic terms, if the religion fosters hate bigotry and ignorance its very bad. As to its theological claims, thats another matter.

 

[LeftyLen]

Yes, there's going to be a little bit of Christian fundamentalism involved in our next election here in the U.S. Great for them. If their guy wins. Bad for a lot of other people.

Here is perhaps an idiosyncratic definition, "a fundamentalist is an angry evangelical ."

 

[LeftyLen]

I don't judge religions and their affect on people. I simply assess their truth values and arguments. Since it would be circular to rely on judgment and a frame of reference to judge a religion when religion is supposed to guide you to a frame of reference and judgment.

I remember the days I was obsessed with condemning Islam and Christianity for their belief in hell as judgmental, hateful, and problem inducing.

My methodology is to assess the truth through proofs and insights. This includes the political situation.

Terrorism is an ambiguous word these days and used to manipulate the political situation.

A helpful thing for me was political science concepts such as realism. Idealism vs realism will help people assess the truth as well.

terrorism is a rather clear term, one attacks civilians in a war, that is terrorism. Islam as a whole is much like medieval Christianity, they need a reformation.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

terrorism is a rather clear term, one attacks civilians in a war, that is terrorism. Islam as a whole is much like medieval Christianity, they need a reformation.

You really like your definitions. To me that is not as such terrrorism as it is a war crime. Terrorism is something else but can also be considered a crime.

 

[LeftyLen]

You really like your definitions. To me that is not as such terrrorism as it is a war crime. Terrorism is something else but can also be considered a crime.

Small but valid definitional terms you use. In America i have not heard about any Methodist, Baptist , Amish, Mennonite, Mormon Lutheran etc Terrorists.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Islam as a whole is much like medieval Christianity, they need a reformation.

No .. that is the source of enmity in the first place.
i.e. when layman tell scholars their religion

 

[LeftyLen]

No .. that is the source of enmity in the first place.
i.e. when layman tell scholars their religion

Defining is not enmity.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Defining is not enmity.

defining? defining what?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Small but valid definitional terms you use. In America i have not heard about any Methodist, Baptist , Amish, Mennonite, Mormon Lutheran etc Terrorists.

Well, theism is not the only form of religion and not all political ideologies are peaceful. So in general I don't rate any world-view on being religious or not.

 

[Link]

terrorism is a rather clear term, one attacks civilians in a war, that is terrorism. Islam as a whole is much like medieval Christianity, they need a reformation.

We need a reformation, but on our terms and quest for truth, not to appease the west.

 

[LeftyLen]

We need a reformation, but on our terms and quest for truth, not to appease the west.

ok

 

[ppp]

How do you judge a religion as to whether it is good or bad, beneficial or malevolent, helpful or useless, harmless or harmful, fine or problematic? I don’t mean all of these pairs, just one at least (for instance, ‘harmless or harmful’).

Primarily, by the real world product and social impact of the religion as expressed through the deeds and words of the people who claim to follow that religion. By how fervently the adherents attempt to distance the feces produced by their religion from the religion itself. Same way I would judge any other organization.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Same way I would judge any other organization.

Now, you are referring to an organized group.
A religion is not that, as such.

It's like comparing an extreme right wing party with a more moderate one.
i.e. tarring all with the same brush

 

[ppp]

Now, you are referring to an organized group.
A religion is not that, as such.

Religions are organized groups. That is how I can tell a Wiccan from a Muslim.

It's like comparing an extreme right wing party with a more moderate one.
i.e. tarring all with the same brush

A party in that is context is literally an organized group. I do not understand your complaint.

 

[danieldemol]

That's extremely vague and it doesn't tell us anything.

Plus his "history" would simply be hagiography to the rest of us in my view.

 

[danieldemol]

I judge a religion by;
A) Any non-demonstrable claims it demands we accept as truth
B) The demonstrable harm that its beliefs inspire in its adherents.