Judgment Day, Setting Souls On Fire

[ImmortalPhoenix]

This thread is designed for the religions of Abraham: Christians, Muslims, Baha'i, and Jews as well.
Here I would like for you add your comments on what your beliefs are about this day, and/or other information that shows why.

Judiasm:

Haggai 2:6-7
For the LORD of Hosts says this: "Once more, in a little while, I am going to shake the heavens and the earth, the sea and the dry land. I will shake all the nations so that the treasures of all the nations will come, and I will fill this house with glory," says the LORD of Hosts.
Isa. 66:14-16 – You will see, you will rejoice, and you will flourish like grass; then the Lord’s power will be revealed to His servants, but He will show His wrath against His enemies. Look, the Lord will come with fire – His chariots are like the whirlwind – to execute His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire. For the Lord will execute judgment on all flesh with His fiery sword, and many will be slain by the Lord.



Isaiah 24:1
Look, the LORD is stripping the earth bare
and making it desolate.
He will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants:

Isaiah 24:19-20


19 The earth is completely devastated;
the earth is split open;
the earth is violently shaken.
20 The earth staggers like a drunkard (A)
and sways like a hut.
Earth's rebellion weighs it down,
and it falls, never to rise again.





Christian:

Hebrews 12:25 See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less shall we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven. 26 His voice then shook the earth; but now he has promised, "Yet once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heaven." 27 This phrase, "Yet once more," indicates the removal of what is shaken, as of what has been made, in order that what cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, and thus let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverence and awe; 29 for our God is a consuming fire.



(Matthew 3:11-12) "He will baptize with Holy Spirit and purify with fire. He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

II Peter 03:
What type of people should you be? Make every action holy. You are to look forward to the day of God and speed it's coming. That day will bring destruction of the heavens by fire and the element will melt in the heat.

Islam:

And they will feel regret when they see the punishment; and they will be judged in justice, and they will not be wronged.” (Quran 10:54)

“The hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire.” (Quran 4:145)
“Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses – We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, God is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.” (Quran 4:56)

“Super-heated water will be poured onto their heads and will dissolve through it until it cuts up their innards, expelling them; until it comes out of their feet, and everything is melted. Then they will be restored as they were.”
“On the [FONT=&quot]Day[/FONT] (some) faces will turn white and (some) faces will turn black. As for those whose faces turn black


Baha'i:

I would have some scriptures here, but the mods deleted my thread on this subject. The Baha'i basically believe that this day already happened, and it is to be taken only figurative and not literal. The Resurrection is the renewing of the spirit, and the mountains already crumpled.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Briefly, the Baha'i scriptures state Judgement Day refers to the time when a new Divine Messenger is on earth, and everyone must choose to follow Him or not.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I can explain this from a Baha'i point of view.

In all religions, there is the concept of life after death and there is the concept of judgment Day.
Both of these concepts have been described in a symbolic language in the older scriptures.
But most people of the past, have interpreted these symbolic verses literally, whereas they were meant to be interpreted symbolically.
Because of this misinterpretation, people have believed that on the Last Day (or Judgment Day, or Resurrection Day) the earth comes to an end. then all dead people come out of their graves and become alive. then after that they either go to hell or heaven.
The Baha'i Faith being the most recent religion in the line, has scriptures that explain that, life after death and judgment Day are 2 different things. The life after death starts as soon as someone dies as the human spirit continues to live. Hell is the state of being far from God and Heaven is the state of nearness to God in the spiritual world.
On the Judgment Day nobody comes out of their grave in a physical sense. But on that Day new Messengers of God come, which God brings a new revelation through which people are brought out of the grave of unbelief to the life of belief. Therefore every time a Messenger ever came that was a judgment Day. There are also verses in Quran or Bible which shows that Day of judgment had happened before as well.
All of these are explained in details in the Kitab-i-Iqan (Book of Certitude), revealed by Baha'u'llah. You can download the Book from here:

Baha'i Reference Library: The Works of Bahá'u'lláh

 

[Starsoul]

How can you use a divine book to re-affrim what you believe in, carefully selecting texts out of some of them,to make a certain assortment of what you may like/or suits you and make a belief out of it?

I mean to say, that if you use the Quran for reference, or bible for that matter, you must subscribe to its truth as the word of God, and if you don't subscribe to any of these books as the word of God, and think only Mr bahahullah was inspired by the truth in his books, why take verses out of context and subject them to fit in your views? You either belief the word of God completely , or you don't. You either agree that 1+1+1=3 or you insist that its 1.

It looks rather peculiar to make a cocktail out of all religions and make a totally separate interpretation out of it, and honor people who were not even involved in the spread of its original message and teachings?

 

[ImmortalPhoenix]

I am not taking those scriptures out of context.
"That day will bring destruction of the heavens by fire and the element will melt in the heat." is very specific.

How can you sit back and say, oh, all of those warnings about that day of mountains crumbling, and fire melting the elements is all just figurative? We are seeing it right before our very eyes!
Look at Japan, the largest of the several escalating earthquakes.

"For once more I will shake not only earth, but heaven."

For your "faith" it wouldn't matter how many scriptures I showed you, but you still would believe what you wanted to.

The first three, as well as the Hindus agree that the day of fire is steadily approaching. It seems as though you Baha'i are the only ones who think it came and went.

 

[outhouse]

people have stated this kind of doom and gloom for centurys.

all have been wrong and all have failed.

what happened in japan was a natural disaster, nothing more, nothing less.

I find it terrible people use this tragidy to promote their own religious views

 

[ImmortalPhoenix]

Haggai 2:6-7
For the LORD of Hosts says this: "Once more, in a little while, I am going to shake the heavens and the earth, the sea and the dry land. I will shake all the nations so that the treasures of all the nations will come, and I will fill this house with glory," says the LORD of Hosts.
Isa. 66:14-16 – You will see, you will rejoice, and you will flourish like grass; then the Lord’s power will be revealed to His servants, but He will show His wrath against His enemies. Look, the Lord will come with fire – His chariots are like the whirlwind – to execute His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire. For the Lord will execute judgment on all flesh with His fiery sword, and many will be slain by the Lord.



Isaiah 24:1
Look, the LORD is stripping the earth bare
and making it desolate.
He will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants:

Isaiah 24:19-20


19 The earth is completely devastated;
the earth is split open;
the earth is violently shaken.
20 The earth staggers like a drunkard (A)
and sways like a hut.
Earth's rebellion weighs it down,
and it falls, never to rise again.




It is not just my view on the world. It is also the view of Billions.

 

[outhouse]

It is not just my view on the world. It is also the view of Billions.

you'll have to prove that because i find people have stated this kind of doom and gloom for centurys.

all have been wrong and all have failed, people have stated this kind of doom and gloom for centurys.

all have been wrong and all have failed.

 

[ImmortalPhoenix]

Go to the different forums here for the Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Hindus. According to what I heard from them, they believe the Day of God/earthquakes/ and/or Fire this coming this generation to consume the adversaries. I don't know the percentage of the people in these groups, but I know many of them agree.

all have been wrong and all have failed.

Were they wrong? Or were they giving a warning to pass down to this time in space. Could it be that the term "Judgment" is as important as it sounds?

 

[outhouse]

Go to the different forums here for the Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Hindus. According to what I heard from them, they believe the Day of God/earthquakes/ and/or Fire this coming this generation to consume the adversaries. I don't know the percentage of the people in these groups, but I know many of them agree.


Were they wrong? Or were they giving a warning to pass down to this time in space. Could it be that the term "Judgment" is as important as it sounds?

if you look at history this doom and gloom has been spread, everyone puts dates and like you ,,,,,,,say that its right around the corner

the corner comes and nothing.

you need to look at this froma historical persepective. At the time the bible was written they all thought the end was near. That was back then and it was for that generation.

well that generation is long past.

a 3000 year old book has no historical validity to present times as far as what they were preaching.

I find it in foul taste for you to use recent tragedys for you to further your religious opinion.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

How can you sit back and say, oh, all of those warnings about that day of mountains crumbling, and fire melting the elements is all just figurative?

I don't say that. The Holy Books such as Bible, Quran and Iqan say that they are figurative. As I said the Iqan has reference to those verses in Quran and Bible.

It seems as though you Baha'i are the only ones who think it came and went.

Actually according to Quran, if we follow what majority of people say, they will mislead us from the path of God. So, numbers don't matter!

 

[ImmortalPhoenix]

Haha my friend, you speak the truth.
I was reading the Gospels today, and read don't be friends with the world, because a friend of the world is an enemy with God. Also, I was reading the Quran and it continually mentions on THAT day that you denied will come and take you unprepared. I'll put the scriptures up.

The most important thing for people to do, regardless of the different faiths, is to repent for forgiveness from God. And follow swiftly in faith.

 

[WorldCitizen]

In a well-known extract from a Persian tablet of Bahá'u'lláh to Muhammad Ibrahím Khalíl-i Qazvíní dating to around 1878 CE it is stated that,

"The world is in travail and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned toward waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the [Divine] Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody."

notice how these two processes are going concurrently, that is man's lack of spirituality and natural disasters. The Guardian says:

"The materialism, the lack of true religion and the consequent baser forces in human nature which are being released, have brought the whole world to the brink of probably the greatest crisis it has ever faced or will have to face."

 

[trajan]

Briefly, the Baha'i scriptures state Judgement Day refers to the time when a new Divine Messenger is on earth, and everyone must choose to follow Him or not.

Peace,

Bruce

what if not?

 

[WorldCitizen]

trajan would you like to follow man made superstition or illogical meanings of the Word of God or have a Divine Messenger explain them to you that they are symbolic or figurative, and the answer they gave makes sense in this age of reason?

 

[Gharib]

what are the small and big signs before judgement day in bahai teachings?

 

[ImmortalPhoenix]

eselam, the Bahai believe that day has come and gone. Here is a scripture from the Quran.

[75:5] But the human being tends to believe only what he sees in front of him.
[75:6] He doubts the Day of Resurrection!
[75:7] Once the vision is sharpened.
[75:8] And the moon is eclipsed.
[75:9] And the sun and the moon crash into one another.
[75:10] The human being will say on that day, "Where is the escape?"
[75:11] Absolutely, there is no escape.
[75:12] To your Lord, on that day, is the final destiny.
[75:13] The human being will be informed, on that day, of everything he did to advance himself, and everything he did to regress himself.
[75:14] The human being will be his own judge.
[75:15] No excuses will be accepted.

[75:22] Some faces, on that day, will be happy.
[75:23] Looking at their Lord.
[75:24] Other faces will be, on that day, miserable.
[75:25] Expecting the worst.
[75:26] Indeed, when (the soul) reaches the throat.
[75:27] And it is ordered: "Let go!"
[75:28] He knows it is the end.
[75:29] Each leg will lay motionless next to the other leg.
[75:30] To your Lord, on that day, is the summoning.
[75:31] For he observed neither the charity, nor the contact prayers (Salat).
[75:32] But he disbelieved and turned away.
[75:33] With his family, he acted arrogantly.
[75:34] You have deserved this.
[75:35] Indeed, you have deserved this.

 

[BruceDLimber]

The Baha'i scriptures state Judgement Day refers to the time when a new Divine Messenger is on earth, and everyone must choose to follow Him or not.

what if not?

Then one misses the boat, big time!

Though our scriptures do assert that the individual may indeed later remedy this.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[BruceDLimber]

what are the small and big signs before judgement day in bahai teachings?

I refer you here:

http://www.bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled

Best!

Bruce

 

[Falvlun]

I passed a church yesterday with one of those quippy, inspirational messages on their bulletin board: "Exposure to the Son prevents future burning."

I thought that was pretty classy. If in poor taste.