June teenth did anyone celebrate

[Revoltingest]

I'm seeing some opposition to what seems to be an uncontroversial holiday, if one considers its origin. What's with that? Of all reasons for a national holiday, emancipation of slaves seems to me among the best. Is there anything I'm missing?

The issue is government giving itself another paid day off.
Locally, the courts close. The "justice" system is already
horribly slow & backlogged. Now it's worsened.
Is anyone wasn't celebrating it before now doing so?
Doubtful.

 

[Debater Slayer]

The issue is government giving itself another paid day off.
Locally, the courts close. The "justice" system is already
horribly slow & backlogged. Now it's worsened.
Is anyone wasn't celebrating it before now doing so?
Doubtful.

Which other national milestones are celebrated on a federal level? Are they given their own holiday as well? If this isn't the only one, I'm not sure one day off is why courts may become backlogged.

For clarification, my country has a lot of national holidays, so we may be viewing this from different cultural lenses. I don't view a federal day off as a huge issue unless it has noticeably negative effects on functions like courts, as you cited--and even then, I'd probably consider why one day made so much difference rather than immediately oppose the holiday.

 

[Revoltingest]

Which other national milestones are celebrated on a federal level?
Are they given their own holiday as well? If this isn't the only one, I'm not sure one day off is why courts may become backlogged.

For clarification, my country has a lot of national holidays, so we may be viewing this from different cultural lenses. I don't view a federal day off as a huge issue unless it has noticeably negative effects on functions like courts, as you cited--and even then, I'd probably consider why one day made so much difference rather than immediately oppose the holiday.

You see the need, but no costs.
I see the costs, but no need.
(I've spent more time dealing with our government & court than you have.)
Justice delayed is justice denied.

 

[Debater Slayer]

You see the need, but no costs.
I see the costs, but no need.
(I've spent more time dealing with our government & court than you have.)
Justice delayed is justice denied.

I'm sure any national holiday has a cost, especially since it's a paid day off. What I believe is that this isn't necessarily a prohibitive expense for celebration and commemoration of a national milestone.

Note that I only brought up general possibilities as to why a court system could be backlogged rather than specific claims about U.S. courts. I don't know nearly enough about them to challenge a claim made from personal experience such as yours.

 

[Shaul]

For over 150 years there was no need to make June 19th a holiday. Now it suddenly needs to be one. It begs the question, why?

 

[Debater Slayer]

I prefer holidays that unite instead of increasing divisiveness.

Even July 4th creates some division now. If that by itself were enough reason to oppose a holiday, many holidays in multiple countries could be on the chopping block too.

 

[Debater Slayer]

For over 150 years there was no need to make June 19th a holiday. Now it suddenly needs to be one. It begs the question, why?

Must a holiday be needed? What if, over time, the pros of celebrating it become apparent over the cons? I view most national holidays as a sort of luxury, not a bare necessity. I'm not sure there's any reason to single out this one holiday for criticism on that front.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm sure any national holiday has a cost, especially since it's a paid day off. What I believe is that this isn't necessarily a prohibitive expense for celebration and commemoration of a national milestone.

Note that I only brought up general possibilities as to why a court system could be backlogged rather than specific claims about U.S. courts. I don't know nearly enough about them to challenge a claim made from personal experience such as yours.

No single expense is prohibitive.
Does this mean it should be ignored when
paying for something less than compelling?
Juneteenth means more to you than to me.
My taxes mean more to me than to you.

 

[Shaul]

Even July 4th creates some division now. If that by itself were enough reason to oppose a holiday, many holidays in multiple countries could be on the chopping block too.

Perhaps some of them should. I don’t agree that July 4th is divisive. It is inclusive for all who hold to the founding principles of the USA. Juneteenth lends itself to divisiveness on the other hand.

 

[Aštra’el]

Even July 4th creates some division now.

No, not to anyone who loves America.

 

[Debater Slayer]

No, not to anyone who loves America.

I suspect your idea of "loving America" is very different from what many others would consider healthy or reasonable.

 

[metis]

It can be highjacked for political, social or racial reasons.

You support Trump and his minions but say a holiday celebrating the de facto end of slavery is divisive? That's screwy.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I thought you would likely post something like this so I thought you would not mind having a taste of your own medicine because you do this a lot through the use of demeaning stereotypes and excessive sarcasm. Your post smacked of racism as it used stereotypes of blacks used by so many on the right who are racist themselves. Even if your comment wasn't meant to be racist, nevertheless it was at the least very insensitive.

IOW, "Physician, heal thyself".

Hardly.

You really think sounding uneducated and poorly learned in terms reminiscent of how eubonics came about from uneducated poor blacks helps the cause, when people are still being reinforced that it's somehow the right way to portray a significant accomplishment by the premise that blacks cannot get past a level of education beyond what is being put out like "Juneteenth"?

Quite the opposite. I think black people going forward to a larger extent have gone well past being uneducated and poorly taught to something that goes past the derogatory impediments that have stereotyped the race at such a low point in history.

Juneteenth is a well stigmatized designation and serves as a means to keep alive the stereotype of the poor and uneducated black person alive and well.

But thats just my opinion on the matter. If people want to go with that? Fine. Knock oneself out.

 

[Yerda]

That is its stated purpose. But it is used by too many for other purposes.

What do you mean?

 

[metis]

Juneteenth is a well stigmatized designation and serves as a means to keep alive the stereotype of the poor and uneducated black person alive and well.

Seems that you well remember and utilize Chubby Checker's "The Twist".

 

[Twilight Hue]

Seems that you well remember and utilize Chubby Checker's "The Twist".

I prefer Blueberry Hill.

 

[Watchmen]

No. I worked. I don't care for it, anyway. I got into an argument with a coworker over slavery, though, so maybe that counts. Lol.

What was the argument? He was for slavery and you were not???

 

[Watchmen]

Seems that you well remember and utilize Chubby Checker's "The Twist".

Come on, baby!

 

[Revoltingest]

I prefer Blueberry Hill.

I prefer blueberry pie.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

It's a nice holiday, but slavery didn't end there it just continued with another name.