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Justice

Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Is being Just, the ultimate form of righteousness and love?

Noah was righteous
Job was righteous

Your righteousness is like the highest mountains, your justice like the great deep. You, Lord, preserve both people and animals.

The Lord loves righteousness and justice; the earth is full of his unfailing love.

Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne; love and faithfulness go before you.
 
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pearl

Well-Known Member
Fool said:
Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne; love and faithfulness go before you.
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Amos would agree with you.

Take away from me

your noisy songs;

The melodies of your harps,

I will not listen to them.

Rather let justice surge like waters,

and righteousness like an unfailing stream.
 
CogentPhilosopher

CogentPhilosopher

Philosophy Student
Fool said:
Is being Just, the ultimate form of righteousness and love?

Noah was righteous
Job was righteous

Your righteousness is like the highest mountains, your justice like the great deep. You, Lord, preserve both people and animals.

The Lord loves righteousness and justice; the earth is full of his unfailing love.

Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne; love and faithfulness go before you.
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Anything other than unfounded assertions?
 
CogentPhilosopher

CogentPhilosopher

Philosophy Student
Fool said:
i'm asking a question. that isn't an assertion.

assertion etymology

assertion definition
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Fool said:
Is being Just, the ultimate form of righteousness and love?

Noah was righteous
Job was righteous

Your righteousness is like the highest mountains, your justice like the great deep. You, Lord, preserve both people and animals.

The Lord loves righteousness and justice; the earth is full of his unfailing love.

Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne; love and faithfulness go before you.[/QUOTE]
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You should have reread your post before making a fool of yourself.

No pun intended.
 
CogentPhilosopher

CogentPhilosopher

Philosophy Student
Fool said:
i don't mind appearing to be foolish.

all the statements after the initial question are from the bible.

ad hominems don't disprove/prove anything
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I was meaning it as advice with a snarky tone.

You quoting from the bible as an authority without proving the legitimacy of such authority is useless.
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
CogentPhilosopher said:
I was meaning it as advice with a snarky tone.

You quoting from the bible as an authority without proving the legitimacy of such authority is useless.
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i've heard it said that the bible, like many holy books, are like a rorschach test. kind of like scientist squabbling over data from observations. it's open to interpretation and conjecture.

the bible is also considered by some as a series of books on the idea of God and consciousness, or mindfulness.

i never once considered myself as authoritative. i did consider asking a question on a possibility.

socratic questioning isn't claiming. you're fixated on a speaker and ignoring the ideas.
 
CogentPhilosopher

CogentPhilosopher

Philosophy Student
Fool said:
i've heard it said that the bible, like many holy books, are like a rorschach test. kind of like scientist squabbling over data from observations. it's open to interpretation and conjecture.
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So you think that giving humans a rorschach test as a system of morals is a good idea?

Also thank you for establishing that you do not understand how meta-analysis works.
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
CogentPhilosopher said:
So you think that giving humans a rorschach test as a system of morals is a good idea?
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you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink; especially if it isn't thirsty, or you do so against its will. giving someone an aptitude test determines where they are at in a process.

CogentPhilosopher said:
Also thank you for establishing that you do not understand how meta-analysis works.
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there are no absolutes in science.
 
CogentPhilosopher

CogentPhilosopher

Philosophy Student
Fool said:
you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink; especially if it isn't thirsty, or you do so against its will.
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Sorry but that is a false equivalency. This would be like leading a human to a room with an illogical puzzle with an invisible person behind him who will light him on fire if he does not solve the puzzle the way he wants him to. And to top it all of the invisible person made the experiment and also demands that the man solving puzzle praise him for it. But worse

Fool said:
giving someone an aptitude test determines where they are at in a process.
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:facepalm:

The test we where talking about is NOT an aptitude test. There are no right or wrong answers.

Fool said:
there are no absolutes in science.
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Assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
CogentPhilosopher said:
Sorry but that is a false equivalency. This would be like leading a human to a room with an illogical puzzle with an invisible person behind him who will light him on fire if he does not solve the puzzle the way he wants him to. And to top it all of the invisible person made the experiment and also demands that the man solving puzzle praise him for it. But worse
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thats one interpretation but it's not the only one. consider it more like a goal that allows a person to move forward/backward in the game based on their level of skills and intervals of rest, study, and contemplation in the between.

case in point, the bible, like many holy writs, discuss ideas about the cause, nature, and actions of mind. neuroscience can't explain certain aspects of consciousness. it can express the physical processes. panpsychism is seeing a resurgence as the explanation of consciousness.

Is Consciousness Universal?



CogentPhilosopher said:
The test we where talking about is NOT an aptitude test. There are no right or wrong answers.
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the test you have been discussing might not. not all aptitude tests have right or wrong answers unless you're taking a career goal test.

some just determine what career would most likely be the best for you. not everyone will choose what is in their best interest.

What Career is Right For Me?
 
CogentPhilosopher

CogentPhilosopher

Philosophy Student
Fool said:
how about academic departments?

Center for Consciousness Center . Tucson . Arizona

Division of Perceptual Studies – University of Virginia School of Medicine

Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research

(no title)

Psychology: Consciousness, Altered States of Consciousness and Parapsychology | Lund University

What are the Noetic Sciences?
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Scientific articles please.

Not to mention your claim was that there are things about conciousness that we can't know not don't know.
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
CogentPhilosopher said:
Scientific articles please.

Not to mention your claim was that there are things about conciousness that we can't know not don't know.
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can't know because we don't have the means to empirically measure.

like we can't know the subjective experience of a monkey, another human, the reason a stimulus is pleasant/painful to another and the opposite for someone else.

the reason a brain isn't necessary for consciousness.

Plant Intelligence: An Overview | BioScience | Oxford Academic

The roots of plant intelligence

Bacterial Intelligence - Astrobiology Magazine

 
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