Justify your belief???

[Spirit of Light]

Eh?

It seems to me the Christian right are wearing a nazi hat and forcing their beliefs through as laws.

America comes to mind here.

Please identify these countries you claim where atheists are passing laws to destroy religion.

Norway being one ( I am born here and live here)
They want to end religious teaching everywhere

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Its the atheists who ask the believer to justify their personal belief.

Could you offer a specific and typical example?

 

[Fool]

Its the atheists who ask the believer to justify their personal belief.

believers do it all the time. self shouldn't be practicing beliefs on another. its a rape of conscience; if permission wasn't given.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Norway being one ( I am born here and live here)
They want to end religious teaching everywhere

Could you cite evidence for this?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Could you offer a specific and typical example?

Actually it started here in RF where an atheist time and time again ask religious believers to justify why they holding a certain belief from their own religion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Could you cite evidence for this?

Here we go again

Religion are taken out of school.
Ban of hijab in certain Jobs.
Ban of wearing religious symbols publically are talked about politically

 

[Heyo]

Its the atheists who ask the believer to justify their personal belief.

Sometimes. But as you've read, most here don't mind you having a belief. The request for justification only comes when the belief comes with the demand for privileges or when the belief is offered as "the Truth™".

 

[Altfish]

Why do religious people have to justify their personal religious and spiritual belief?

They don't.
But don't expect others to believe it if you don't or can't.
AND don't try to impose your beliefs on others.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Actually it started here in RF where an atheist time and time again ask religious believers to justify why they holding a certain belief from their own religion.

Would you mind sharing (a) which particular belief, and (b) whether it was being asserted in a debate forum?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The freedom to practice the religious teaching as it is in the scriptures. Often one can see certain aspects are tried to be stopped.

Meaning what, exactly?

If you're talking about things like Quebec's hijab ban for civil servants, I'm opposed to it, too (though I'd say this is more about Catholic influence on Quebec than atheism).

OTOH, I have no issue with removing religious privilege: official prayers before government meetings, subsidies for religious organizations, etc.

 

[HonestJoe]

Why do religious people have to justify their personal religious and spiritual belief?

They generally don't have to. If they publicly express a belief, especially if it is unconventional or contradicts common understanding, they might be asked to justify it but they remain free to ignore those requests. If they expect or demand some kind of rule, law, exception or action to be implemented on the basis of their belief alone, they will be expected to justify the proposed change (be that by justifying the belief or justifying the change on additional grounds).

Significantly, all of this applies to any belief position, not just ones labelled as religious.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why do religious people have to justify their personal religious and spiritual belief?

Because all to often the religious try to enforce their immoral beliefs upon others.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you have to justify it, then it means there is doubt.

There should be doubt in any belief. If one has not doubts not only is one not thinking rationally, the odds of being wrong tend to soar when one does that. It is all but impossible to be exactly right.

 

[Spirit of Light]

They don't.
But don't expect others to believe it if you don't or can't.
AND don't try to impose your beliefs on others.

I don't

 

[Heyo]

So to all religions people in RF, stop coming to RF because practicing our faith are greedy, and speaking about our faith in a religious forum has become greed??

Nope.
The greedy part is when people feel the need to make up rational justifications for their faith. That is a need that comes from within and it is greedy.
When an atheist asks "can you justify your belief?" the humble answer is "no, that's why it's called faith". Answering "yes, I have reasons" is the greedy part.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Norway being one ( I am born here and live here)
They want to end religious teaching everywhere

Could you offer a specific and typical example?

Here we go again

Whine less.

Ban of hijab in certain Jobs.

I am generally opposed to such bans.

Ban of wearing religious symbols publically are talked about politically

I am generally in favor of talking about things politically.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Would you mind sharing (a) which particular belief, and (b) whether it was being asserted in a debate forum?

Toward a Christian person. Yes it was debate. But that does not mean one HAVE to justify a personal belief

 

[Subduction Zone]

The freedom to practice the religious teaching as it is in the scriptures. Often one can see certain aspects are tried to be stopped.

You need to be more specific than that. Do you mean as it is taught in the Bible to kill those that do not believe the same as you do? That can be found more than once in the Old Testament.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Norway being one ( I am born here and live here)
They want to end religious teaching everywhere

Are you sure about that? Can you give specific examples?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Nope.
The greedy part is when people feel the need to make up rational justifications for their faith. That is a need that comes from within and it is greedy.
When an atheist asks "can you justify your belief?" the humble answer is "no, that's why it's called faith". Answering "yes, I have reasons" is the greedy part.

That answer has been given multiple times in religious discussion and refused as a non sensical answer