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Hello friends,
I'm wondering if different denominations accept Kabbalah as a Jewish sect or mysticism, or it's a heresy.
Besides, i'd like to know how main sects evaluate the Zohar, and Kabbalah authors.
Thanks in advance
wanting to show Jews they had a rich mystical tradition of their own, and didn't have to go to the East to find it.
--all the mainstream denominations of Judaism accept the influence of Kabbalistic thought, and value true Kabbalah as legitimate expressions of Jewish mystical exploration
fraudulent groups and individuals who claim the mantle of Kabbalah
Jews may consider these movements appropriate for non-Jews to participate in
So, which Kabbalists are the true one? (if we exclude western centers) what do you think about Michael Laitman? is he a real disciple?
i'm wondering if in Israel they are some other Kabbalah centers beside his.
Yes. Kabbalah is Jewish mysticism. It is a series of Jewish mystical theologies, practices, commentaries, philosophies, and spiritual disciplines designed as extensions of Tanakh and Rabbinic literature (Talmud, midrash, halakhic literature, liturgy, philosophical poetry, Torah commentary), written in Hebrew and Aramaic, and deeply dependent upon the nuances, resonances, shades of meaning, and structures of those languages, which use that knowledge and language as the context and material with which to look at the universe and the Creator.Do Jews think that Kabbalah is like Tanakh & Talmud are for Jews only?
4. And, unfortunately: are they Orthodox? With one or two exceptions, there simply are no serious non-Orthodox Kabbalists of a level of mastery high enough to be teachers of Kabbalah.
Since you asked about Laitman specifically, I will say that while I have no definitive proof that he is a fraud or huckster, I am distrustful of his authenticity. He seems to encourage a personality cult around himself, and that makes me suspicious.
For non-Orthodox Kabbalists, would Rabbi Zalman Schachter-Shalomi be a good source?.
Apparently, I've been told that Laitman sees his tradition as the "only true" form of Kabbalah, and, all other traditions, both non-Jewish and Jewish, as "frauds" or a waste of time.
Do Jews think that Kabbalah is like Tanakh & Talmud are for Jews only?
I don't know of any that will teach non-Jews.
From what I understand (as a non-Jewish Noahide), Kabbalah is open to study by non-Jews insomuch as the Torah itself is open to study by non-Jews. The two are, from the Orthodox position, inextricably linked and for that reason, insomuch as non-Jews have their place in Torah, they may study the Kabbalah in that way.
The general consensus is that all information posted online in Hebrew and English are good for non-Jews to study. Additionally, there are teachers who are willing to take non-jewish students so long as they observe the laws that pertain to them.
I'm not suggesting that anyone will try to stop non-Jews from learning any Kabbalah. And certainly academic scholars of Kabbalah will absolutely teach anyone.
But my sense of the one or two legitimate Kabbalists at whose table I was privileged to sit a few times when I lived in Jerusalem was that while they would not necessarily see anything wrong in a non-Jew, say, opening up Aryeh Kaplan's books, or reading the text of Sefer Yetzirah or something of the sort posted online, they themselves would not be particularly encouraging of a non-Jew who came to them and asked them for serious training and instruction. Frankly, it was hard enough finding any who would teach me, given that I am not Orthodox anymore, and have no intention of being Orthodox again.
You're right in that halakhically, there is nothing prohibiting the teaching of Kabbalah, or any kind of Torah, to non-Jews. But this is more a matter of custom and social attitudes. And I am not necessarily saying that the customs in question are always correct or productive, either. But I do think that they are there, informally, but present.
Dear friends,
I've already started a free online course with Bnei Baruch learning center.
I do appreciate what Levite & others adviced me, and sure i'll always remember the guidelines.
actually my purpose, by participating, is to get to know more about the basic concepts on kabbalah.
The Course mainly is divided into two sort of materials, one relies on the Zohar, and the other on Rabbi Laitman, well, i'm going to focus more on the Zohar and study it in more details (which is the purpose of my participants).
my question to you all, and to Levite if you have time
Do you have any idea if other Kabbalah schools, and specially which are located in Israel, believe in reincarnation?
Thank You!
If I may comment, my Rebbi was adamant that a Gilgul Neshama was actually a lenient punishment for very specific form of sins, the ones which punishment is to be 'cut off' from the Jewish People. Now, some interpret this as cut off in this world and in the next... so it's not a light matter at all. The return of the neshama is meant to be an opening for return, in the form of conversion to Judaism. He said it was why converts must always be accepted, as there is a possibility that they are Jewish souls which are returning to us.I don't know which specifically do or do not, and there are several different Kabbalistic takes on what exactly gilgulei nefashot (reincarnation) is, or is for...
If I may comment, my Rebbi was adamant that a Gilgul Neshama was actually a lenient punishment for very specific form of sins, the ones which punishment is to be 'cut off' from the Jewish People. Now, some interpret this as cut off in this world and in the next... so it's not a light matter at all. The return of the neshama is meant to be an opening for return, in the form of conversion to Judaism. He said it was why converts must always be accepted, as there is a possibility that they are Jewish souls which are returning to us.
(actually, his further opinions on this was even more radical and I will not post them publicly, but will answer PMs on it)
Indeed, my Rebbi would only discuss Kabbalah on certain occasions in his weekly Parsha study, and only if the group was, well, let's say more advanced in years.
May I ask why, and what viewpoint you favor most? I only ask as this topic was the only one where I differed from my Rebbi , strongly in fact, not so much about what it said about the returning as about the Ger in general....It's a perfectly viable viewpoint. I can't say I share it. But it's a perfectly traditional view...
May I ask why, and what viewpoint you favor most? I only ask as this topic was the only one where I differed from my Rebbi , strongly in fact, not so much about what it said about the returning as about the Ger in general.
Indeed, and in some cases even a mark of shame. If Jews look at the ger as a punished ex-Jewish 'sinner' slinking back, how can that help us fulfill the mitzva of loving the ger? Sadly I have seen such mindset, and I'm appalled by it. It's shameful, and my own Sephardic communities are the worst offenders. So long as we trod on the mitzva to love the Ger... Moshiach will not come....I also tend to think it devalues the experience of the JBC (Jew by choice), making it less transformative, and less brave. Because it is both a brave choice and a great transformation...
I'm glad you touched on this, so I quote it for emphasis. Here is the dark side of Reincarnation, the concept that those who suffer (illness, poverty, etc.) are just getting the 'just rewards' of sins from a previous life. That way again brings the same shame as thinking the Ger was a sinner, and I oppose this view just as I oppose the concept of 'Original Sin'.(Although I hasten to add that I do not believe that anyone who suffers is merely expiating the sins of a prior lifetime. I would never say that. I think occasionally that might happen, but the vast majority of instances of people suffering at the hands of other people results from nothing but the brutality of other people-- nothing metaphysical to it).
Thank you for your excellent response. I always value your detailed explanations, a real example of the best a forum like this can be. I especially like the part of being able to experience every unique aspect of Torah observance. Frubal you if I could
Indeed, and in some cases even a mark of shame. If Jews look at the ger as a punished ex-Jewish 'sinner' slinking back, how can that help us fulfill the mitzva of loving the ger? Sadly I have seen such mindset, and I'm appalled by it. It's shameful, and my own Sephardic communities are the worst offenders. So long as we trod on the mitzva to love the Ger... Moshiach will not come.
I'm glad you touched on this, so I quote it for emphasis. Here is the dark side of Reincarnation, the concept that those who suffer (illness, poverty, etc.) are just getting the 'just rewards' of sins from a previous life. That way again brings the same shame as thinking the Ger was a sinner, and I oppose this view just as I oppose the concept of 'Original Sin'.