Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You already have been givin the information.
Don't play dumb by showing the vanilla bill.
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Kamala Harris major border policy speech
- Thread starter Copernicus
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Don't play dumb by showing the vanilla bill.
Argentbear
Well-Known Member
I linked you and everyone to the actual legislation.
You made claims about it that just aren't true. End of story.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
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Excellent, and hopefully, both of those points will be brought up repeatedly when she stumps the other non-border swing states. For the purpose of campaigning, both are twofers. Beside underscoring her experience and qualifications for the job, they remind people that Trump killed the border bill to help himself on America's back, and that she was a prosecutor, which reminds people that trump is a convicted felon, especially when she mentions any of Trump's crimes, like prosecuting financial fraud and sexual predators.
Also, she needs to keep hammering the fact that the abortion mess was Trump's doing as well as her economic policies like help for first-time home buyers, while emphasizing the opinions of the 16 Nobel laureate economists who have published an opinion calling Trump's tariffs harmful. This has been very effective. Trumps favorability ratings on handling the economy were 20 points higher than Biden's last February, but Harris has cut that to 2%:
Poll: 20-point deficit on handling economy highlights Biden’s struggles against Trump (Feb 2024)
Voters split on whether Harris or Trump would do a better job on the economy: AP-NORC poll (Sep 2024)
I don't think that policing her party is the president's job.
As for corporate criminals, she took them on directly as a fearless and successful DA and AG, so there is no reason to believe that she won't continue to do what she can to fight monopolies, price gouging, and do the things that a president can do, especially if America gives her a Democratic House and Senate like Joe had for his first two years, when he accomplished so much.
And I don't know why you question her intelligence or resolve. She showed you how intelligent she was as she tattooed Trump in their debate, and she was brilliant in her Oprah interview.
As for courage, she's not the one campaigning behind a bulletproof screen, nor is she the one hiding from a second debate. She seems pretty fearless to me.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Trump praises collapse of bipartisan border deal: ‘I think it’s dead’
Trump had four years as President and never lifted a finger to improve border security beyond his failed BS about building a wall. You can't explain why he had Republicans torpedo their own border security bill, so all you can do is blow smoke and continue to pretend that Republicans care about border security. Why did he do it? He was quite open about it. He wanted to blame Democrats for doing nothing to fix the border problem, when Republicans almost made the mistake of joining with Democrats to actually do something.
GOP = Grand Obstructionist Party
McBell
Unbound
Will there be enough room in a single thread for them?
McBell
Unbound
Please list some of these riders and earmarks.
Specifically the ones the GOP, not Trump, had a problem with that they were still ok with until Trump said to kill the bill because it will make Biden look good.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You know that as well. Yet another acting dumb ploy.
McBell
Unbound
Then point to them.
Specifically, from the actual bill, not your favorite mock up.
She was the border czar and did nothing for almost four years, which makes this feel like disingenuously pandering for votes.
McBell
Unbound
So you got nothing but bold empty claims?
McBell
Unbound
You the one making bold empty claims then acting dumb when asked to support them.
So yeah, you got nothing but yet another acting dumb ploy.
Problem is, you being flat out called out on it.
Are you gonna put up?
We all know you ain't gonna shut up.
So the very least you can do is actually support your claim with something other than acting dumb about it.
PureX
Veteran Member
I think you're way overestimating the ability of a president to do anything when his/her own party is acting against their agenda. Look what happened to Obama when he had a super majority of democrats in the House and the Senate and then tried to reform health care. The bribe money flew, and all those democrats fell into a blinding stupor and just couldn't manage to come up with anything but a 20 year old republican plan forcing everyone to buy heath insurance. A plan to warm the cockles of every good corporate capitalist's stone heart. FORCING the public to buy! And the republicans got to blame this government enforced monopoly on the democrats, even! Called it "Obamacare"!
That's what happened the last time a democratic president tried to actually fix something.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'm sure your egregiously loaded denial will include NPR as being a mock up site.
Here they are including the good , bad, and the ugly.....
- $60.06 billion in security aid for Ukraine.
- $14.1 billion in aid for Israel.
- $10 billion in humanitarian assistance for civilians in Gaza, the West Bank, Ukraine and "other populations caught in conflict zones."
- $2.33 billion for refugees from the war in Ukraine.
- $4.83 billion for allies to "deter aggression by the Chinese government" in the Indo-Pacific region.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Except that Kamala Harris was never assigned to have anything at all to do with the border. 'Border czar' is a Republican label designed to obscure the fact that her only assignment was entirely diplomatic--to visit the countries in Latin America where the refugees were coming from. This has been explained to you before, but you continue to use the trope as a disingenuous smear tactic.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well your wish is my command, as you can see I already provided it in post 35.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The woman can't even bring herself to visit our own borders on our own land aside from a few photo ops away from Ground Zero.
You would almost think she was trained by AOC who I admit Harris is notably less of a photo op drama queen.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Republicans did not kill their own bill because of the things in it that they agreed to have there in the first place. Nothing passes the Senate that doesn't have things in it designed to get both Republican and Democratic votes. Compromise is normal. We know why they killed a bill that they had earlier agreed to.
Trump ordered Republicans to kill their own border bill--a carefully crafted compromise that they were ready to vote for up until Trump got on the phone and told them to kill it.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
What are you talking about? The very speech that you dare not watch describes a visit to the border that she had just come back from in Arizona!