Karma is Eye for an Eye

[The Sum of Awe]

Why learn? Um... maybe to overpass the OP?

What else is there to learn in this thread besides what the OP is asking?

 

[Willamena]

What else is there to learn in this thread besides what the OP is asking?

- the way in which karma is not "an eye for an eye";
- the way in which Buddhism or Hinduism is not going against its morals;
- the way in which karma is not revenge itself


...just to name a few.

Edit: but, to your credit, I doubt you'll learn it in this thread.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

- the way in which karma is not "an eye for an eye";

- the way in which Buddhism or Hinduism is not going against its morals;
- the way in which karma is not revenge itself


...just to name a few.

...which is exactly what the OP is asking.

 

[Willamena]

...which is exactly what the OP is asking.

What's the point of preaching at you, if you're not capable of listening?

There is more, Grasshopper, under the sun, than meets the binoculars.

 

[Student of X]

If it truly was a state of mind, why couldn't we control it?

Control your state of mind and you control karma. That's where things like meditation come in.

And, either way, since it isn't entirely controlled by you, you hit someone X hits you back, whatever X may be, whether intentional or not intentional. Whether conscious or not living, it still is very little in difference than revenge.

Who is "you"? The ego-self? The persona? "You" are more than your ego-self. Stop thinking of yourself as only your ego-self and you begin to break the chains of karma.

 

[zenzero]

Friend TSoA,

Ok!
then shall response by saying that yes, it is exactly what you have perceived it to be.
The way it goes out, it reaches back to you to the same depth and with each hit the height or depth keeps increasing.
How to get out of it.
Do not act? is it possible? No it is not as the mind is not still. It acts as per desire.
So the way out of it is to stop the desires from igniting thoughts and actions.
Then karma is over. One is free/liberated from all karma.

Love & rgds

 

[The Sum of Awe]

What's the point of preaching at you, if you're not capable of listening?

There is more, Grasshopper, under the sun, than meets the binoculars.

I'm listening, just telling you that I am learning by asking in this thread, there are answers that I don't agree with so I dry them down to try to get more answers.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Who is "you"? The ego-self? The persona? "You" are more than your ego-self. Stop thinking of yourself as only your ego-self and you begin to break the chains of karma.

Doesn't see how that's relevant, because even if it were you controlling it, which it can't be at least consciously, it takes form in a blind revenge.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Friend TSoA,

Ok!
then shall response by saying that yes, it is exactly what you have perceived it to be.
The way it goes out, it reaches back to you to the same depth and with each hit the height or depth keeps increasing.
How to get out of it.
Do not act? is it possible? No it is not as the mind is not still. It acts as per desire.
So the way out of it is to stop the desires from igniting thoughts and actions.
Then karma is over. One is free/liberated from all karma.

Love & rgds

Ah, I see, so you believe that karma is something that needs to be escaped from?

Thanks for the answer!

 

[Student of X]

Doesn't see how that's relevant, because even if it were you controlling it, which it can't be at least consciously, it takes form in a blind revenge.

It only looks that way because you are identifying with your ego-self. You think you are your ego-self. But the ego is only a tiny part of the mind. When you start identifying with ALL your being, instead of with just your conscious ego-self, then you will begin to be liberated from karma.

 

[Willamena]

I'm listening, just telling you that I am learning by asking in this thread, there are answers that I don't agree with so I dry them down to try to get more answers.

It's not that you're not listening, but we each assign to words the meaning that we derive from our experience (empiricism). The sum of your learning will determine what "words" mean to you. It's the same for all of us.

 

[Hevenly Heathen]

Isn't it a bit against its own morals for Buddhism or Hinduism to believe in Karma, since Karma is merely revenge in itself?

Karma is not revenge. It is a system to try and do better to achieve ascension. It can happen in one lifetime, or it can appear in multiple lifetimes. The point of Karma is to rid oneself of negativity and obtain enlightenment. It's kind of like a Reset Button, except the game changes to challenge you in other ways to offer a different opportunity to get past what stopped you the previous time.

 

[YmirGF]

Ah, I see, so you believe that karma is something that needs to be escaped from?

Thanks for the answer!

It gets loopier. Hang tight. That said, have you noticed that none of the explanations of karma actually make sense yet?

On second thought, I don't think that Sum of Awe is entirely incorrect asserting that karma is similar to revenge. In some respects, it is reality smacking you in the back of the head, until you learn to pay attention to your actions. I forget when I tossed karma into the dustbin of dead end ideas, but it was 10-15 years ago. Yes, actions have consequences. That much is obvious, but to conjecture beyond that is somewhat misleading. You are as bound by karma as you believe you are.

This thread has given me enormous pleasure reading some of the ludicrous lines of reasoning displayed, I'll say that. So many assertions, based on assertions, based on assertions, practically none of which can actually be verified beyond "Actions have consequences".

 

[Hevenly Heathen]

Mine makes total sense, imho

 

[Willamena]

It gets loopier. Hang tight. That said, have you noticed that none of the explanations of karma actually make sense yet?

Jumping up and down.


With a spoon.

 

[zenzero]

Friend SoA,

Ah, I see, so you believe that karma is something that needs to be escaped from?

Pardon me please. If you have understood the word *escape* as avoidance, then it is not possible.
One has to face it consciously fought tooth by tooth, inch by inch even at the minutest levels to weed out desires fully from its ground till not more weeds grow; it is only a work of true dedication, a true gardener!

Love & rgds

 

[Chisti]

Concepts like revenge, hate etc. don't apply to an impersonal force like karma. Suppose I fall from a building and break my leg, I am not going to allege that gravity has a personal grudge against me. It is what it is - we obey the law, physical or spiritual, and live happily.

 

[YmirGF]

Mine makes total sense, imho

I'm sure it does. :flirt:

Jumping up and down.


With a spoon.

Such an eager critter. Frankly, Patty, I'm a bit surprised that you buy into this. Your thinking is normally so elegant and refined.

 

[YmirGF]

Friend SoA,

Pardon me please. If you have understood the word *escape* as avoidance, then it is not possible.
One has to face it consciously fought tooth by tooth, inch by inch even at the minutest levels to weed out desires fully from its ground till not more weeds grow; it is only a work of true dedication, a true gardener!

Love & rgds

Hahahaha. You make it sound like a Catholic Priest imploring a young parishioner to eradicate sin from their sinful little self.

In all seriousness though, ZenZero, any gardener, worth their salt, realizes they cannot eradicate weeds, they can only temporarily remove them, thus making way for new weeds to grow. My guess is you don't do a lot of gardening.

 

[Willamena]

Such an eager critter. Frankly, Patty, I'm a bit surprised that you buy into this. Your thinking is normally so elegant and refined.

There's a way of seeing the truth in everything.