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Karma
- Thread starter Geoff-Allen
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Geoff-Allen
Resident megalomaniac
Ok. As usual, I'll be the odd wingnut here. No, I reject all variants of karma. Deal with it.
That's fine - I respect your right to disagree with me!
Can you go into "why" you don't believe that certain thoughts and behaviours lead to suffering and others lead to happiness. Sounds a LOT like "karma" to me ...
Geoff-Allen
Resident megalomaniac
Ok. As usual, I'll be the odd wingnut here. No, I reject all variants of karma. Deal with it.
It would be really "dull" if we agreed on "everything". There would be NO point to a conversation or interaction!
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I've already covered this topic several times on RF. I have heard all the arguments and should add that for many years I was a firm believer.It would be really "dull" if we agreed on "everything". There would be NO point to a conversation or interaction!
Geoff-Allen
Resident megalomaniac
I must have missed those posts!
So you DO have the ability to change your beliefs? Nice to know you're flexible!
I didn't believe in reincarnation in my previous life either
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Sure, theists have their sufficient explanations. Atheists like me credit it to theories of Chaos, Probability and Uncertainty.
Geoff-Allen
Resident megalomaniac
Grandliseur
Well-Known Member
The golden rule has become, "he who has the gold, rules"; not, do unto others . . .
Karma is a Hindu and Buddhist concept. This I do not believe in: however ...
Payback
The Bible promises us that whether you are good, middling OK, or wicked, God will make sure that your actions come back to be paid in full while we live.
The reason Christians are told not to avenge themselves is so as not to become unclean and do wicked things. God's promise to avenge upon others what they do to us, and others, takes the need to avenge ourselves away.
This does not mean we cannot defend our own lives and those of our family members, and even others given the chance.
God believes in violence as a deterrent, and so do I as a deterrent force.
Unfaltering payback
Payback for our evil deeds and good deeds - come whether we believe it or not, whether we desire it or not.
Geoff-Allen
Resident megalomaniac
Grandliseur
Well-Known Member
That's news to me! I always assumed God was a pacifist
Not sure how you missed it!
Flood - all wicked killed. Perhaps some will be resurrected, most won't.
Sodom & Gomorrah - everything gone, just hard to recognize ruins left.
Abraham blessed with victory when he went after the marauders who took Lot, etc.
During one night, one angel killed more than 150,000 Assyrian soldiers to defend Israel.
Disobedient Israelites - many killed, 10 tribes went into dispersion.
Two tribe kingdom, many many killed, remainder went into captivity in Babylon.
In the end that is promised, perhaps more than 90% of all humanity will be killed.
A prophet who disobeyed the command not to stop - was killed by a lion after he stopped and had lunch by an insistent person he should have ignored.
Obedience = victory (Even said in StarTrek! Changelings)
Disobedience = death.
Oh, Yes, I do believe violence acts as a deterrent. But, at times, people need to see examples of it being real.
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Geoff-Allen
Resident megalomaniac
It's a toughie! If someone is threatening violence you can't just let them do as they please - preferably with the minimum force possible.
As for God using violence - maybe he has an anger problem and needs counselling
Thanks for sharing!
Grandliseur
Well-Known Member
Well, the problem with God is that He is God. He also sets the moral standards for humans; those who abuse this seriously get the death sentence once it becomes clear that they cannot be corrected.It's a toughie! If someone is threatening violence you can't just let them do as they please - preferably with the minimum force possible.
As for God using violence - maybe he has an anger problem and needs counselling
Thanks for sharing!
We are not dealing with other humans, or even a Judge, or Superior Judge, we are dealing with the Creator. If he deems you need to die, it is not killing but execution for just cause. In some cases, killing serves as warnings to us, and perhaps the person will be resurrected once the kingdom is established.
God never acts wickedly or unjustly. But, he is not partial, so we get what we deserve with mercy if we act correctly.
syo
Well-Known Member
absolutely
a chain reaction
the golden rule helps for a good karma.
yes, karma is the law, noone can escape karma.Does it work even if you refuse to belive in it?
Geoff-Allen
Resident megalomaniac
Same argument that Azteca used to justify human sacrifice to their God..etc.
Yes, karma does explain a lot of the suffering in the world. But there are two reasons why some people may have a particularly difficult life - their karma may be bad and needs to be paid off, or the second reason could be that the soul has decided before birth to have a difficult life in order to grow faster spiritually. So some least fortunate (or poor) people may not really have bad karma, they may have chosen to be that way before birth.
Geoff-Allen
Resident megalomaniac
Thanks for the response!
I have had similar thoughts - some people certainly do suffer more than the rest ...
This may or may not be terribly relevant -
“If all our misfortunes were laid in one common heap whence everyone must take an equal portion, most people would be content to take their own and depart.”
Socrates
Thanks again.
Just one more thought - bad action is not the only thing that creates bad karma. Bad thoughts and harsh words can also result in bad karma. So karma is the result of thought, word and deed - all three.
Geoff-Allen
Resident megalomaniac
Yes thought becomes word and deed so it is definitely wise to really be watchful of your thoughts and cultivate a truly healthy mind. Then karma takes care of itself ...
Cheers!
Grandliseur
Well-Known Member
Humans justifying their actions by lies, by agendas of power, by wickedness - will never stop.
If you have an entity that can create the earth with its varied life, can destroy said earth - one can only hope that this entity acts in non-wicked fashion with his creation. If it doesn't there is bloody nothing to do about it, except to try to avoid making that entity mad enough to focus on yourself.