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Kashmir valley flooded

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Large areas of Kashmir valley including the two main cities Srinagar and Anantnag (Islamabad for Muslims) have been under flood for the last week. There have been some 200 deaths. Many areas are still out of contact. All civil facilities have crumbled. Army, Disaster Management teams and volunteer organisations are trying to help. Prime Minister Modi has visited Kashmir immediately and has given Rupees 2100 crore ($ 350 million) to the state which has been appreciated. The region has changed into a lake that it once was (Kashyapa Mir). This is due to environmental degradation, cutting of trees on the mountains and encroachment of Dal lake which acted as a sink.

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Sb1995

Om Sai Ram
Good, that place is trash now. All the terrorists ruined it. Screw India. Couldn't protect us Hindus in Srinagar now let the muslims enjoy the floods.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Modi has asked Kashmir government to find land for rehabilitation of evicted valley Hindus. Do you think Pahalgam would do or Anantnag? Achhabal is a nice location, we loved it or Kokarnag. :)
 
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Poeticus

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IMHO, this thread should actually become the official Kashmir thread. Herein can be discussed Indo-Kashmiri politics, history, and religious issues/concerns---using Hindu, progressive perspectives and such. As for the matter at hand regarding the flood, I would like to offer my condolences. May all that suffered in this event find solace and improvement.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Thanks, Poeticus. Chanced on one photograph during the Kashmiri Hindu marriage and thought it would be interesting for people.

Posh Puja: Blessing with flowers with the bride and the groom covered by a shawl. Nobody is supposed to touch them at this time. The bride is exhorted to be like Lakshmi was to Vishnu, Parvati was to Shiva, Indrani to Indra, Rati to Kamadeva, etc. Yes, we went through the ritual and I slumbered with my wife's hands in my hands. It is conducted in the wee hours of the morning after night-long marriage rituals and goes on for half an hour, sort of a finale. I touched her for the first time during the engagement ceremony surreptitiously, though I was not supposed to do that during Jayamala. How quickly the 47 years have gone!

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Sb1995

Om Sai Ram
Modi has asked Kashmir government to find land for rehabilitation of evicted valley Hindus. Do you think Pahalgam would do or Anantnag? Achhabal is a nice location, we loved it or Kokarnag. :)

Lol Modi can order army to just raid Srinagar and kick out all the muslims like they did to us. "Find land for rehabilitation"?? How about take back our OWN land lol
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Lol Modi can order army to just raid Srinagar and kick out all the muslims like they did to us. "Find land for rehabilitation"?? How about take back our OWN land lol
It does not belong to just us Hindus, but also to Dars, Kouls, Pandits, Bhatts, and Mattoos among Muslims. They are our brothers. :)
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Our last name also was Bhatt, Bhatt will mean any Brahmins (except in case of Muslim Butts, who are converted Hindus). But for some reason, I think, my great-grandfather, used the surname - Reu/Rivu.
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
Our last name also was Bhatt, Bhatt will mean any Brahmins (except in case of Muslim Butts, who are converted Hindus). But for some reason, I think, my great-grandfather, used the surname - Reu/Rivu.

I presume you mean the Kashmiri Bhatta-s. In Gujarat, Bhatt is a common surname amongst various Brahmin communities (mostly from the South and the Kathiwad regions). Then, there are the similar sounding Bhatti-s/Bhatia-s (not restricted to the Gujarat, but found all over "above the Vindhya-s"---mostly in the Punjab and Rajasthan). Unlike the Bhatta-s and Bhatt-s, the Bhatti-s/Bhatia-s are of Rajput extraction. Suffice it to say, the ethnography of India is quite interesting. Also, you state that "our last name also was Bhatt". Does that mean it no longer is? If you don't mind, Aup-dada, can you detail the background of the change? And if so, what is the current application? Or is it [still] Reu/Rivu?
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Reu/Rivu is also a Kashmiri surname. I do not know the etymology of the word as known in some other cases. For example, the Nehrus lived near a canal, Taklus had a bald forebear, Langu had a lame one and so forth. I also do not know the reason why my great-grandfather changed the surname. Or perhaps those before him were Reus but known under the common brahmin surname of Bhatta.

I would associate Bhatias with Bhatner, a fort in Hanumangarh, Rajasthan, and I think they were associated with the Sindhu-Sauvira kingdoms and Mahajanapadas. "Jayadratha was the king of Sindhus, Sauviras and Sivis." (Wikipedia) In Alexander's time, Multan was ruled by Mallis (it could even be 'mallisthan') who fought him bravely. Multan was important in that time and area as "Moolasthan" and had a huge Sun temple. It was later replaced by mosque which has been washed away in repeated floods in River Chenab.

This is how General Alexander Cunningham describes Multan in his "Ancient Geography of India", a captivating must read for anyone interested in Ancient Indian History (available on the internet):

"In the seventh century Hwen Thsang found a magnificent temple with a golden statue of the god most richly adorned, to which the kings of all parts of India sent offerings. Hence the place became commonly known amongst the early Arab conquerors as "The Golden Temple ;" and Masudi even affirms that el-Multan means "meadows of gold." Hwen Thsang calls it Meu-lo-san-pu-lo, which, according to M. Vivien de St. Martin, is a transcription of Mulasthanpura. that Multan was commanded by a citadel, which had four gates, and was surrounded by a ditch. .. I infer, therefore, that Muhammad Kasim may have captured Multan in the same way that Cyrus captured Babylon, by the diversion of the waters which flowed through the city into another channel. In this way he could have entered the city by the dry bed of the river, after which it is quite possible that the garrison of the citadel may have been forced to surrender from want of water. At the present day there are several wells in the fortress, but only one of them is said to be ancient; and one well would be quite insufficient for the supply even of a small garrison of 5000 men."
 
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Poeticus

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Reu/Rivu is also a Kashmiri surname. I do not know the etymology of the word as known in some other cases. For example, the Nehrus lived near a canal, Taklus had a bald forebear, Langu had a lame one and so forth. I also do not know the reason why my great-grandfather changed the surname. Or perhaps those before him were Reus but known under the common brahmin surname of Bhatta.

I would associate Bhatias with Bhatner, a fort in Hanumangarh, Rajasthan, and I think they were associated with the Sindhu-Sauvira kingdoms and Mahajanapadas. "Jayadratha was the king of Sindhus, Sauviras and Sivis."

Contrary to popular, racialist misconceptions sprouted back and forth around India by ignorant and poorly educated Desi-s, Gujarat is not 100% Baniya Mentality. ;) :p

There are the Darbars of Kutch and Kathiawad who have a fierce and often violent history of self-rule and independence. Which brings me back to the term, Sauvira. In Gujarati, there is the term, suviro, which literally translates to "great warriors". In fact, it's actually the same as suvīra(h) of Vedic Sanskrit (a term quite prominent in Mandala 2 of the Shri Rgveda). Gujarat has not only a linguistic but also a blood connection with Rajasthan:

-both Gujarati and modern variations of Rajasthani derive from Old Gujarati (the ancestral language of the Gurjara Pratihara-s and Raja Mihir Bhoja; not to be confused with the Gujjars of the Punjab)
-the prominent Kshatriya clans of both states are ethnically the same but linguistically different (such as the valiant clan of the Sisodia-s, the most prominent Rajputs of all time [unless one factors in the Chandravanshi Janjua-s of the Punjab])
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I do not know if Gurjaras were the same of different from Gujjars and if they were any different from the Qujar people from Kazakhistan who recently ruled Iran (1785–1925).

Bhatner fort in Hanumangarh

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Poeticus

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I do not know if Gurjaras were the same of different from Gujjars and if they were any different from the Qujar people from Kazakhistan who recently ruled Iran (1785–1925).

No, they are not the same. These are two completely different groups who just happen to have similar [sounding] names. This was discussed in Tyaga's Revantadeva thread.
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
The similarity is striking. What do you think is the etymology of Gurjara? :)

I have come across various "nationalistic" origins, that it means "destroyer of the enemy"---but I'm skeptical of those definitions. The following is from Monier-Williams:

गुर्जर [ gurjara ] [ gurjará ] m. ( cf. [ gūrj ] ) the district Gurjara or Gujarat Lit. Pañcat. iv , 9 (14) , 0/1 Lit. Rājat. (pl. the people of Gujarat Lit. W.)

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Atman

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Good, that place is trash now. All the terrorists ruined it. Screw India. Couldn't protect us Hindus in Srinagar now let the muslims enjoy the floods.
You have a very low view of human life, if one's religious affiliation is reason enough for a life to be disregarded in such a brash fashion. God help you
 

Sb1995

Om Sai Ram
You have a very low view of human life, if one's religious affiliation is reason enough for a life to be disregarded in such a brash fashion. God help you

Haha the same pigs who chant "Hindustan murdabad" and "pakistan zindabad" are now crying for Indias help. The same individuals who throw stones and pellets at Indian officers daily and now begging for help. The same muslims who killed Hindus and forced them out of their home lands and now crying for help.
 
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