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Kavanaugh's victim was faking something

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
There are a lot of problems with this attitude.

I didn't used to always be honest and would front. That's one thing I've recently taken a vow to never do is be fake again, because it really does show on a person's face.

I can tell when somebody's being completely real. It's something that shows.

The woman that is testifying against kavanaugh is not being a hundred percent real.

No fallible human being in the history of humanity is 100% real.

I've seen her speech three times now.

I'm not saying she lied about him victimizing her.

I'm saying she's faking something.

It could be that she's just faking the emotions and trying too hard to cry, but either way she is not being completely genuine.

If she was in a soap opera, I would think " that's pathetic acting."

That said, it would be much worse if she was making the whole thing up. However, I'm not jumping to that conclusion.

Your view of this is not 'real,' and condescending, despite you statements of qualification you apparently think she is lying in one way or another.

i look at it from more of a matter of fact perspective. Kavanaugh was a part of the fraternity culture of the time and probably was involved in worse than this incident. Nonetheless I actually do not believe that the antics of high school and fraternity behavior of the times effects Kavanaugh's elligibilty for a seat on the Supreme Court.

I do think he responded very poorly to the allegations and the hearing with the testimony, and revealed his radical extreme right wing views, and antagonism to those left of his thinking, which from my perspectve biases Kavanaugh's judgement, and makes him unqualified for a seat on the Supreme Court.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Perhaps we all have a sense that we can assess others quite accurately, and I am no exception, but I have to disagree here and would side with Ford on what happened. He just comes across as someone who would say whatever was necessary to get him out of any situation whilst she doesn't. But then I am a little left-leaning and trust few from the right.
I have a finely honed keen sense of detecting lies & truth in others.
I'm supremely confident of it.
The only problem is that it's horribly unreliable.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
I didn't used to always be honest and would front. That's one thing I've recently taken a vow to never do is be fake again, because it really does show on a person's face.

I can tell when somebody's being completely real. It's something that shows.

The woman that is testifying against kavanaugh is not being a hundred percent real.

I've seen her speech three times now.

I'm not saying she lied about him victimizing her.

I'm saying she's faking something.

It could be that she's just faking the emotions and trying too hard to cry, but either way she is not being completely genuine.

If she was in a soap opera, I would think " that's pathetic acting."

That said, it would be much worse if she was making the whole thing up. However, I'm not jumping to that conclusion.

To me, she seemed quite real, attempting to hold it together in a scary situation.

Kavenaugh, on the other hand, gave a scripted, poorly acted tirade that alone should disqualify him for the bench.

He is NOT a 'sober judge'.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
"I can just tell" isn't a case.
I've been dealing with traumatized victims of abuse all of my life. I bet you I've dealt with more victims of abuse than anyone on this forum. With the exception of anyone who's a lot older than me who works in mental institutions or crisis centers. I can tell when they're being real.

I'm not saying this lady was lying. , I'm saying I detected something phony and it was obvious to me.

Haven't you been able to tell when somebody's being fake before? Have you ever seen a smile that you could tell was just fake?

Have you ever seen acting that you could just tell was poor acting?

Have you ever noticed when somebody did not like you and they never said anything negative about you, you could just tell?

once again, I'm not saying she's lying.
I'm just saying she's being phony about something. It could just be something minor as she's trying too hard to cry.
 
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Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
I have a finely honed keen sense of detecting lies & truth in others.
I'm supremely confident of it.
The only problem is that it's horribly unreliable.

True, we mostly seem to not recognise such things according to much evidence. But nevertheless we can often point to previous (correct) judgements that can aid our appreciation of such a belief.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
True, we mostly seem to not recognise such things according to much evidence. But nevertheless we can often point to previous (correct) judgements that can aid our appreciation of such a belief.
I can only predict the future retroactively.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Perhaps Kavanaugh was faking it too:

Brett Kavanaugh was an 'aggressive drunk', says Yale classmate

Assistant history professor Charles “Chad” Ludington, who went to Yale University with Mr Kavanaugh, claimed that his old friend lied to a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing about the extent of his boozing in college. He has released a statement describing the embattled nominee as being a “frequent” drinker at university. Mr Ludington, author of The Politics Of Wine In Britain: A New Cultural History and a former basketball coach at an American university in London, plans to meet today with FBI agents as part of an inquiry into allegations of sexual misconduct that are threatening to derail Mr Kavanaugh’s appointment to the Supreme Court. At an emotional hearing on Capitol Hill last Thursday, Mr Kavanaugh was accused by Christine Blasey Ford of pinning her to a bed and attempting to take off her clothes when he was drunk at a party in 1982. Mr Kavanaugh denied the incident took place and told lawmakers that he had never blacked out from drinking. But his college friend, who teaches at North Carolina State University, said he was “deeply troubled by what has been a blatant mischaracterisation by Brett himself of his drinking at Yale”. He said he “cringed” while watching the live TV coverage of the hearing. “For the fact is, at Yale, and I can speak to no other times, Brett was a frequent drinker, and a heavy drinker,” he added. “I know because, especially in our first two years of college, I often drank with him. On many occasions I heard Brett slur his words and saw him staggering from alcohol consumption.” Meanwhile, FBI agents have interviewed another former Yale University classmate, Deborah Ramirez, who has claimed that Mr Kavanaugh exposed himself to her at a party in the early 1980s. She reportedly gave the agents names of other people who could help corroborate her account. Mr Kavanaugh has denied the claims.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I've been dealing with traumatized victims of abuse all of my life. I bet you I've dealt with more victims of abuse than anyone on this forum. With the exception of anyone who's a lot older than me who works in mental institutions or crisis centers. I can tell when they're being real.

I'm not saying this lady was lying. , I'm saying I detected something phony and it was obvious to me.

Haven't you been able to tell when somebody's being fake before? Have you ever seen a smile that you could tell was just fake?

Have you ever seen acting that you could just tell was poor acting?

Have you ever noticed when somebody did not like you and they never said anything negative about you, you could just tell?

once again, I'm not saying she's lying.
I'm just saying she's being phony about something. It could just be something minor as she's trying too hard to cry.
I'm a victim of sexual abuse and I thought she was genuine. In fact, I strongly identified with her emotions several times throughout the hearing.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
While frat boy's foaming at the mouth was somehow more trustworthy....

How dare people get upset of being accused of rape and having to put with a show trial that proved nothing except Ford couldn't figure out basic facts like location and date
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm a victim of sexual abuse and I thought she was genuine. In fact, I strongly identified with her emotions several times throughout the hearing.
I thought she was genuine too.
But I also thought that she had such troubling memory issues,
that there's no telling who actually did what when & where.
Add to this the revelation of her political motivation, which is
yet another corruptor of perception & memory.
 
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