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Keeping To The Sunnah.

Abu Fauzi

Member
Salaam everyone,
The Noble Messenger of Allah, Prophet Muhammad, may Allah bless and grant him peace, was reported to have said:--"Let me not find one of you, reclining on his couch, when he hears something regarding what I have commanded or forbidden saying: 'We do not know. What we found in Allah's Book we have followed'. (Abu Dawud)

This is a good reminder against today's casual attitude with which some Muslims, unfortunately, discard the Sunnah of our Prophet, Sallallahu alaihi Wasallam. Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala repeatedly links obedience of Allah to obedience of His Messenger. Allah says:--"And Whoever Obeys The Messenger, thereby Obeys Allah".(4:80) and "Whatever the Messenger gives you take it, and Whatever he forbids you, refrain from it".(59:7)...the Qur'an itself condemns having a 'Qur'an only' approach in many of its Verses.

To divorce the Sunnah from Islam is to render Islam ineffective; for example, the Qur'an directs us to pray and give Zakkat, but without the Sunnah, how would we know how to calculate and pay/give Zakkat or say the daily Prayers?...
 

seeking4truth

Active Member
"You have in the Prophet of Allah an excellent examplar for him who hopes to meet with Allah and remembers Allah much"

Readers of the Quran cannot ignore this advice if they want to 'meet with Allah' and that after all is the purpose of our existance.
 

Rational_Mind

Ahmadi Muslim
"You have in the Prophet of Allah an excellent examplar for him who hopes to meet with Allah and remembers Allah much"

Readers of the Quran cannot ignore this advice if they want to 'meet with Allah' and that after all is the purpose of our existance.

That it is quite interesting. I am wondering what is the view of people who hold the strict view that the Quran is needed alone for spiritual purification. It leaves to question how such can be achieved without knowing much about the Holy Prophet (saw).

Although I have always wondering why they suppose a Prophet of God is sent along with the book.
 

Union

Well-Known Member
Qur'an never say 'follow Muhammad' but said 'follow the messenger' . Human Muhammad is different than Prophet/Messenger Muhammad . Even from the Qur'an and Hadeeth , this fact is quite clear and established .

Salim, the freed slave of Nasriyyin, said: I heard Abu Huraira as saying that he heard Allah’s Messenger as saying: O Allah, Muhammad is a human being. I lose my temper just as human beings lose temper, and I have held a covenant with Thee which Thou wouldst not break: For a believer whom I give any trouble or invoke curse or beat, make that an expiation (of his sins and a source of) his nearness to Thee on the Day of Resurrection. (Sahih Muslim, Book 032, Number 6293)

Or the incident that the Qur'an recored when Prophet deemed a Halal to be Haram and ALLAH (swt) rebuked him seriously ....

[066:001] O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which God has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

[066:002] God has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths (in some cases): and God is your Protector, and He is Full of Knowledge and Wisdom.
 

seeking4truth

Active Member
"You have in the Prophet of Allah an excellent examplar for him who hopes to meet with Allah and remembers Allah much"

This verse - in English - does not say a prophet but it says the prophet; who do you think that means?
How is an idea, a concept or a philopsophy 'an example'?
 

Union

Well-Known Member
"You have in the Prophet of Allah an excellent examplar for him who hopes to meet with Allah and remembers Allah much"

This verse - in English - does not say a prophet but it says the prophet; who do you think that means?
How is an idea, a concept or a philopsophy 'an example'?

Example is in the Prophet Muhammad not in human Muhammad . Agreed. Again read that Hadith and verse of the Qur'an . It clarified that human Muhammad got an fallible human nature which is very similar to any human . We must avoid those mistakes/Sunnah done by Muhammad .
 

seeking4truth

Active Member
As human beings we need a human example. The Quran has examples of people gone before so that we learn from their example; learn from their successes and their failures.

In the case of the prophet Muhammad, he never claimed to be perfect nor does the Quran say he was perfect. He was a human being with all human strengths and weaknesses. Duing his life he experienced respect and abuse, persecution and power, war and peace and the way he behaved in all situations is the example which should be emulated since it is the way to achieve 'peace' for everyone, individually, as a family as a whole society.
That is why Islam was so successful when believers did follow his example.
 

Union

Well-Known Member
As human beings we need a human example. The Quran has examples of people gone before so that we learn from their example; learn from their successes and their failures.

In the case of the prophet Muhammad, he never claimed to be perfect nor does the Quran say he was perfect. He was a human being with all human strengths and weaknesses. Duing his life he experienced respect and abuse, persecution and power, war and peace and the way he behaved in all situations is the example which should be emulated since it is the way to achieve 'peace' for everyone, individually, as a family as a whole society.
That is why Islam was so successful when believers did follow his example.

Agreed. But have you ever heard that any Shia/Sunni claimed that Prophet Muhammad got some bad Sunnah which you must not follow ... Getting into problem then...
 
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seeking4truth

Active Member
I know that there are many arguments about the value of particular sunnah or haddith.
The only true criteria has to be the Quran. If it contradicts the Quran it cannot be acceptable.

It is also important to understand that the sunnah covers times before particular verses or instructions were given in Quran so we have what may seem to be conflicting sunnah. eg. direction of Qiblah, punishment for adultery. The Quran instructions must over-ride sunnah.
 

Union

Well-Known Member
I know that there are many arguments about the value of particular sunnah or haddith.
The only true criteria has to be the Quran. If it contradicts the Quran it cannot be acceptable.

It is also important to understand that the sunnah covers times before particular verses or instructions were given in Quran so we have what may seem to be conflicting sunnah. eg. direction of Qiblah, punishment for adultery. The Quran instructions must over-ride sunnah.

You are thinking towards a right way.
 

Union

Well-Known Member
What about the contradictory Sunnahs ?? Which one to follow ??

Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 10, Number 566:
Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Messenger never missed two Rakat before the Fajr prayer and after the Asr prayer openly and secretly.

Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 10, Number 567:
Narrated 'Aisha:
Whenever the Prophet come to me after the 'Asr prayer, he always prayed two Rakat.

Vs.

Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 10, Number 562:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger forbade the offering of two prayers:
1. after the morning prayer till the sunrises.
2. after the 'Asr prayer till the sun sets.

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Musnad Ahmad, 797

Narrated that ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him) drank whilst standing, and the people looked at him as if they objected to that. He said: “What are you looking at? If I drink whilst standing, I saw the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) drink whilst standing, and if I drink sitting, I saw the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) drink whilst sitting.”

(Ahmad Shaakir said in Tahqeeq al-Musnad: its isnaad is saheeh.)

vs.


Shahih Muslim . Book 023, Number 5017:

Anas reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) disapproved the drinking of water while standing.
 

F0uad

Well-Known Member
About drinking water while standing up is not Haram but its better to do it sitting down. One has to see the circumstances when he(saws) did or didn't before saying that something is a contradiction or one is valid.

As for Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 10, Number 562 read it until the end of 567 and tell me your conclusion.
 
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Union

Well-Known Member
About drinking water while standing up is not Haram but its better to do it sitting down. One has to see the circumstances when he(saws) did or didn't before saying that something is a contradiction or one is valid.

Come on bro , you need to be serious . Look at the wordings/instructions of the Hadeeth . Those are so strong that even a casual reader can easily understand that these are not up to an option , better than the others or something like that . What degree of instruction , do you think this is , when the Prophet instructed people to vomit out if the water is drunk while standing .

Shahih Muslim , Book 023, Number 5022:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: None of you should drink while standing; and if anyone forgets, he must vomit.

Shahih Muslim ,Book 023, Number 5014:
Abu Sa'id (Khudri) reported that Allah's Messenger (may peacote>

Anas reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) forbade that a person should drink while standing. Qatada reported: We said to him: What about eating? Thereupon he (Anas) said: That is even worse and more detestable (abominable).

As for Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 10, Number 562 read it until the end of 567 and tell me your conclusion.

I read them , there is a clear contradiction in it . Hadeeth no. 560,562 clearly say that Prophet Muhammad forbade to pray after Asr Salah till sunset while Hadith no.64,65,66 and 67 said that the Prophet never missed salah after Asar prayer .

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 559:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "None of you should try to pray at sunrise or sunset."

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 560:
Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:

I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "There is no prayer after the morning prayer till the sun rises, and there is no prayer after the Asr prayer till the sun sets."

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 561:
Narrated Muawiya:

You offer a prayer which I did not see being offered by Allah's Apostle when we were in his company and he certainly had forbidden it (i.e. two Rakat after the Asr prayer).

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 562:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle forbade the offering of two prayers:

1. after the morning prayer till the sunrises.

2. after the 'Asr prayer till the sun sets.

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 563:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

I pray as I saw my companions praying. I do not forbid praying at any time during the day or night except at sunset and sunrise.

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 564:
Narrated 'Aisha:

By Allah, Who took away the Prophet. The Prophet never missed them (two Rakat) after the 'Asr prayer till he met Allah and he did not meet Allah till it became heavy for him to pray while standing so he used to offer most of the prayers while sitting. (She meant the two Rakat after Asr) He used to pray them in the house and never prayed them in the mosque lest it might be hard for his followers and he loved what was easy for them .

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 565:
Narrated Hisham's father:

'Aisha (addressing me) said, "O son of my sister! The Prophet never missed two prostrations (i.e. Rakat) after the 'Asr prayer in my house."

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 566:
Narrated 'Aisha:

Allah's Apostle never missed two Rakat before the Fajr prayer and after the Asr prayer openly and secretly.

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 567:
Narrated 'Aisha:

Whenever the Prophet come to me after the 'Asr prayer, he always prayed two Rakat.
 
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