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Killing for apostacy is against Quran.

We Never Know

We Never Know

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mikkel_the_dane said:
Okay, let us play this game.
Take text X. It has one correct understanding. All other are wrong with logic. Therefore you shouldn't use those, who are wrong.

P1: There is text X.
P2: It has one correct understanding with logic.
P3: All other are wrong with logic.
C: You shouldn't use those, who are wrong.

Now if you can do logic, you know that is an invalid deduction and even if you add P4 and so on, it doesn't mean, that it becomes sound.
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Who says and can verify P2 is correct and all others are wrong?
 
Shakeel

Shakeel

Well-Known Member
Link said:
As far as possibilities of different conclusions being made about these verses as far as this issue goes, it has not been shown. He just talking with no substance (@Shakeel)
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This is very similar to you claiming a previously discussed verse and it's interpretation did not disagree with your "interpretations" of it because the commentary didn't mention them. As I said, it wasn't mentioned because it had nothing to do with the verse and here it is a similar issue: no one, as far as I have seen, connects these verses with apostates in general. They're about hypocrites. Hypocrites and apostates are two different things when it comes to their judgment.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
mikkel_the_dane said:
Okay, let us play this game.
Take text X. It has one correct understanding. All other are wrong with logic. Therefore you shouldn't use those, who are wrong.

P1: There is text X.
P2: It has one correct understanding with logic.
P3: All other are wrong with logic.
C: You shouldn't use those, who are wrong.

Now if you can do logic, you know that is an invalid deduction and even if you add P4 and so on, it doesn't mean, that it becomes sound.
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This is not about the text. This is about appealing to another person.

Logical fallacy.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
firedragon said:
This is not about the text. This is about appealing to another person.

Logical fallacy.
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No, it is about the limit of logic. You in effect claim that you with logic can show that you only have to use your understanding of logic and evidence on a given text.
I am questioning your (meta-)assumption.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
firedragon said:
Its not about solving with logic.

Its a simple logical fallacy.

To argue, you have to address the argument.
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Or the basis for you claiming to have the correct understanding of how to make an argument. :D

I am a skeptic and hidden assumptions in arguments is my specialty. Your specialty is with a certain limited set of assumptions to make the correct argument based on the set of assumptions.
 
danieldemol

danieldemol

Veteran Member
Premium Member
firedragon said:
Nope. Thats not evidence. Thats just appealing to "the other person".

Its a logical fallacy.

Address the argument posed by the individual you are addressing.
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It is evidence of how the other person interprets the Quran.

In my opinion.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
danieldemol said:
It is evidence of how the other person interprets the Quran.

In my opinion.
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No. It is not evidence to "how' another person interprets the Quran. It is just "this person says that".

To providence evidence for "how" you have to get the methodology this person used, then verify it, and present the methodology, not just say "this person says that".
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
mikkel_the_dane said:
Take 2:
So you use logic and evidence and thus it is a fact, that I've got it wrong.

What is next? What follows from the apparent fact about the everyday world that some people get it wrong?
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No. You just got it wrong. You didnt understand a logical fallacy.
 
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