Killing in the name of your saviour

[dgirl1986]

Hope this be the right spot for this.

I was just on another forum where a man stated he went to kill atheists for Jesus...he did not find it wrong at all.

Firstly, I am so horrified by this I cannot tell you.

Also, did I miss something? I don't remember Jesus preaching to the masses that they should murder anyone who isn't a follower? How can this be justified? And the same people that support this action are going on hate rants in regards to other religions that kill in the name of their god.

For why?

 

[Breathe]

It isn't.

 

[crossfire]

Luke 9:51-56

51 Now it came to pass, when the time had come for Him to be received up, that He steadfastly set His face to go to Jerusalem, 52 and sent messengers before His face. And as they went, they entered a village of the Samaritans, to prepare for Him. 53 But they did not receive Him, because His face was set for the journey to Jerusalem. 54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?”
55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. 56 For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” And they went to another village.
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Compare Rev 13:13...

 

[Onkara]

Hope this be the right spot for this.

I was just on another forum where a man stated he went to kill atheists for Jesus...he did not find it wrong at all.

Firstly, I am so horrified by this I cannot tell you.

Also, did I miss something? I don't remember Jesus preaching to the masses that they should murder anyone who isn't a follower? How can this be justified? And the same people that support this action are going on hate rants in regards to other religions that kill in the name of their god.

For why?

The crusades justified a lot of bloodshed against infidels, so perhaps it is based on historical justification, rather than the teaching of Christ? (I now the reason and the "enemy" was different than today).

Personally I think it is emotive language to wind people up. There is a lot of that in forums in general, it wouldn't take place if they were sat looking one another in the eye.

 

[dgirl1986]

The crusades justified a lot of bloodshed against infidels, so perhaps it is based on historical justification, rather than the teaching of Christ? (I now the reason and the "enemy" was different than today).

Personally I think it is emotive language to wind people up. There is a lot of that in forums in general, it wouldn't take place if they were sat looking one another in the eye.

Well in that case he would've said God rather than Jesus wouldnt he? As Jesus didnt encourage that sort of behaviour.

Well I am not sure it was to wind people up. It was on a christian forum, in a christian only section. Posted by a long time christian and long time member of that site.

 

[dgirl1986]

Luke 9:51-56

51 Now it came to pass, when the time had come for Him to be received up, that He steadfastly set His face to go to Jerusalem, 52 and sent messengers before His face. And as they went, they entered a village of the Samaritans, to prepare for Him. 53 But they did not receive Him, because His face was set for the journey to Jerusalem. 54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?”
55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. 56 For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” And they went to another village.
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Compare Rev 13:13...

To the first verse...yes.

To the second verse...I looked it up but not sure I see the relevance.

 

[Onkara]

Well in that case he would've said God rather than Jesus wouldnt he? As Jesus didnt encourage that sort of behaviour.

Well I am not sure it was to wind people up. It was on a christian forum, in a christian only section. Posted by a long time christian and long time member of that site.

Jesus is God to some Christians, I have seen it used interchangeably
Have you asked him?

 

[dgirl1986]

Jesus is God to some Christians.
Have you asked him?


It was just an idea.

Asked who what lol.

Also...I just found a verse that reads differently...

27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”
28 After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem.

 

[Onkara]

Asked who what lol.

Also...I just found a verse that reads differently...

27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”
28 After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem.

The man who stated he wants to kill atheists? I wondered if you have replied to him and asked for his justifications, I expect it will be emotive rather than based on scripture.

 

[dgirl1986]

The man who stated he wants to kill atheists? I wondered if you have replied to him and asked for his justifications, I expect it will be emotive rather than based on scripture.

I am unable to reply to him because its in the christian only section, but someone else replied to him speaking against what he said with the use of bible verses etc.

His response was that he didn't care about the teachings of second and third century christians, and also had no regard for the teachings of paul. He went on to say that they are meant to kill the enemies of Jesus as was stated in Luke 19:27 which I just posted after I looked it up.

So I dunno if it really is against what Jesus taught, or if perhaps the verse is being taken out of context.

 

[Onkara]

People kill for many reasons. People kill their wives and children here. I think the mind of a killer can justify the victim and the act. I am not sure the answer or solution will lie in the Bible.

Unfortunately.

 

[dgirl1986]

People kill for many reasons. People kill their wives and children here. I think the mind of a killer can justify the victim and the act. I am not sure the answer or solution will lie in the Bible.

Unfortunately.

I guess my question is more to do with how people can justify action against another human being (like taking their life from them) using their faith/belief as a reason whilst bashing other religions who have followers that do the same the same thing.

Is this a problem with the religion itself, or the people that follow it?

 

[Onkara]

It is the people who follow it in my opinion. The same with Islamic terrorism, that goes against the Quran, but they may quote it (out of conext) to support their actions. Sick really, but that is evil in action.

 

[Nerthus]

Is this a problem with the religion itself, or the people that follow it?

In my opinion.. both. It depends on the religion.

Yes, Christianity has a pretty unsettled past - people will always bring that up. It is Jesus who changed that. He did not preach hatred and murder.

 

[ChristineES]

Hope this be the right spot for this.

I was just on another forum where a man stated he went to kill atheists for Jesus...he did not find it wrong at all.

Firstly, I am so horrified by this I cannot tell you.

Also, did I miss something? I don't remember Jesus preaching to the masses that they should murder anyone who isn't a follower? How can this be justified? And the same people that support this action are going on hate rants in regards to other religions that kill in the name of their god.

For why?

Jesus wouldn't agree with killing people. People who kill large number of people (Outside of a war) for any reason is mentally ill. Only a small number of people actually do things like this. Even with the crusades, only a small percentage did that sort of thing. Most Christians during those times were peasants, working all day and trying to feed their families. Even I am against the Crusades of the Middle Ages and the killing of people. That is not what Jesus preached.

 

[ChristineES]

I guess my question is more to do with how people can justify action against another human being (like taking their life from them) using their faith/belief as a reason whilst bashing other religions who have followers that do the same the same thing.

Is this a problem with the religion itself, or the people that follow it?

It isn't a problem of religion, since religion is inanimate. It is not even the problem of most followers of various religions. It is the problem of a few people who have the urge to kill and want an excuse to do it.

 

[Onkara]

Jesus wouldn't agree with killing people. People who kill large number of people (Outside of a war) for any reason is mentally ill. Only a small number of people actually do things like this. Even with the crusades, only a small percentage did that sort of thing. Most Christians during those times were peasants, working all day and trying to feed their families. Even I am against the Crusades of the Middle Ages and the killing of people. That is not what Jesus preached.

Hi ChristineES
Thanks, Just to be clear, I didn't mean to condemn people during the Crusade (or Christians), my point is that some people probably think that they are helping their religion (what ever it is) by fighting against others and they may get that from films, books or history. Crusades wasn't the best example, it was just an example of history. .

God bless!

 

[Daemon Sophic]

It is the people who follow it in my opinion. The same with Islamic terrorism, that goes against the Quran, but they may quote it (out of conext) to support their actions. Sick really, but that is evil in action.

^ this. :yes:

 

[Lady B]

Asked who what lol.

Also...I just found a verse that reads differently...

27 "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”
28 After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem.

This is just an example of 'out of context' interpretations.
The parable is clearly not meant to be interpreted too literally. The king in the parable is obviously not strictly analogous to God, for he admits he is unethical.Even skeptics must admit that Jesus would not intend to openly teach that God is unethical.Such a command would contradict Jesus' earlier teaching, where he rebuked the disciples for suggesting that a village that rejected him be destroyed.http://www.rationalchristianity.net/slay_enemies.html#3

 

[Lady B]

It is a sad time when Christians would use Christ's name to kill or hurt another person,Jesus's ministry was to seek and to save the lost, He did not come for the righteous he came for the lost sheep and he suggested we go out of our way to find that sheep even leaving the mass to do so. Clearly Christ taught to love ones enemy, love does not kill.