Kimberly Guilfoyle, Dating Donald Trump Jr.

[Nakosis]

I was wondering what happened with her...

Former Fox News host Kimberly Guilfoyle’s departure from the network last week was billed as her decision, as she took a job campaigning for Donald Trump. But HuffPost News has a report from multiple anonymous sources alleging that Guilfoyle was forced out of her position due to reports of inappropriate behavior including sexual misconduct.

Guilfoyle used to be married to Gavin Newsom, currently running for governor of California, but is now in a relationship with Donald Trump, Jr., who separated from his wife Vanessa Trump earlier this summer. Guilfoyle was a protegé of Roger Ailes, the Fox News chairman who left the network after multiple allegations of sexual harassment and misconduct from employees including Gretchen Carlson and Megyn Kelly. Among other details in the HuffPost report is that Guilfoyle tried to rally support for Ailes during his ousting, ostracizing herself from many of the women at the network.
https://www.vogue.com/article/kimberly-guilfoyle-fox-news-allegations

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Which one's Trump jr? Uday or Usay?

 

[Phantasman]

What a babe. Looks and brains. Lucky him.

 

[Father Heathen]

What a babe. Looks and brains. Lucky him.

And no off-putting moral fiber.

 

[Phantasman]

And no off-putting moral fiber.

Moral? You jest. Elizabeth Warren said that the Dems were the "moral" party. Not mine. Women killing their babies and Jim humping George is a different moral that I grew up with. And Maxine Waters saying this week that God told her to fight Trump.

I just laugh and turn the channel. Morality is long gone from this world.

 

[Father Heathen]

Moral? You jest. Elizabeth Warren said that the Dems were the "moral" party. Not mine. Women killing their babies and Jim humping George is a different moral that I grew up with. And Maxine Waters saying this week that God told her to fight Trump.

I just laugh and turn the channel. Morality is long gone from this world.

I've never pretended that any politician or party was an exemplar of ethics and morality, and it's beyond stupid that anyone would actually think so. Also, if your "morality" can be simply summed up as an objection against bodily autonomy and love between consenting adults, then your "morality" was never real to begin with. Tell me, why is it that religious conservatives obsess over homosexuality and abortion (the latter of which doesn't even have have any biblical reference) but seem to give all other "sins" a pass, especially if they're the ones committing them?

 

[Phantasman]

I've never pretended that any politician or party was an exemplar of ethics and morality, and it's beyond stupid that anyone would actually think so. Also, if your "morality" can be simply summed up as an objection against bodily autonomy and love between consenting adults, then your "morality" was never real to begin with. Tell me, why is it that religious conservatives obsess over homosexuality and abortion (the latter of which doesn't even have have any biblical reference) but seem to give all other "sins" a pass, especially if they're the ones committing them?

lol. It's a brave new world. Enjoy.

 

[Father Heathen]

lol. It's a brave new world. Enjoy.

You really going to dodge and bow out? How do you define morality?

 

[Phantasman]

You really going to dodge and bow out? How do you define morality?

Today, it's in the eyes of the beholder. Moral is defined as the good or bad, right or wrong of human character. Extremists see killing infidels as a moral thing. Religions are based on moral values. I see man moving into tribes of their own moral beliefs. There are many to choose from. Don't eat beef. Don't eat pork. Don't eat red meat. Be circumcised.

Again, brave new world. Did you read it?

Bow out? Probably. I only pass through until it's time for my own reality, which I am very content with.

 

[Father Heathen]

Today, it's in the eyes of the beholder. Moral is defined as the good or bad, right or wrong of human character. Extremists see killing infidels as a moral thing. Religions are based on moral values. I see man moving into tribes of their own moral beliefs. There are many to choose from. Don't eat beef. Don't eat pork. Don't eat red meat. Be circumcised.

You say "today" as if morality was once homogeneous. Moral perspective has always been different between culture, for which there have been countless throughout human history. Things were never "better". In fact, things were more brutal, barbarous, oppressive, etc. Today the civilized world has far more freedom, rights, equality, and justice than it ever had in the past. What changed is that people are better educated, better informed, think more critically and rationally, are more empathetic, etc. Moral and ethical codes tend to be based more so on reason and compassion rather than on superstition, arbitrary social norms, etc. So yeah, socially has shifted, but in the right direction out of the darkness.

Again, brave new world. Did you read it?

I have indeed, and it's a great book but I fail to see whatever parallel you're trying to draw. Why not elaborate?

Bow out? Probably. I only pass through until it's time for my own reality, which I am very content with.

That's part of the problem; people live in bubbles yet try to impose said bubbles upon the outside world.

 

[Estro Felino]

You really going to dodge and bow out? How do you define morality?

Morality is quite subjective.
I don't find marital infidelity (what Trump is accused of) immoral...because it's something private.

I find surrogate pregnancy immoral. That is...two gays that use a woman's womb to buy a baby.

 

[Father Heathen]

Morality is quite subjective.
I don't find marital infidelity (what Trump is accused of) immoral...because it's something private.

I find surrogate pregnancy immoral. That is...two gays that use a woman's womb to buy a baby.

It might be subjective, but some moral codes are definitely more valid than others based upon how logical and substantiated they actually are. Things are weighed by their effects and consequences.
And why would whether or not something is public or private make it more or less moral? With infidelity you're deceiving and betraying the one you've made a vow to. It may not be other people's business, but that doesn't mean a cheater doesn't have questionable character.

Also, your hang-up over surrogacy and adoption is completely arbitrary and irrational.

 

[Phantasman]

That's part of the problem; people live in bubbles yet try to impose said bubbles upon the outside world.

Who doesn't live in their own bubble? Who doesn't give an opinion? Who is imposing?

Talk is just cheap. Do people in bubbles communicate?

We just see things differently. No harm in that from my perspective.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Kimberly would make a fine first lady someday.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I don't find marital infidelity (what Trump is accused of) immoral...because it's something private.

Endlessly bemuses me seeing people who once attacked either/or both Clintons' over marital infidelity suddenly being perfectly fine with Trump's.

I find surrogate pregnancy immoral. That is...two gays that use a woman's womb to buy a baby.

Only when gays do it? How about when infertile straight couples do it? Because if not, it's not actually surrogacy pregnancy you have a problem with.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Who is imposing?

The guy bemoaning the fact that people are different to how he thinks people should be?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Kimberly would make a fine first lady someday.

Well, the only way is up from where we are now, I guess.

 

[Father Heathen]

Who is imposing?

Those who think their personal religious views should be everyone else's laws.

 

[Phantasman]

Those who think their personal religious views should be everyone else's laws.

I actually know mine isn't. And don't expect them to be. The narrow path means not many are going to be on it. Every once in awhile I find that 1 in a 1000 I relate to.

Life is great.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I actually know mine isn't. And don't expect them to be. The narrow path means not many are going to be on it. Every once in awhile I find that 1 in a 1000 I relate to.

Life is great.

Really?

Moral? You jest. Elizabeth Warren said that the Dems were the "moral" party. Not mine. Women killing their babies and Jim humping George is a different moral that I grew up with. And Maxine Waters saying this week that God told her to fight Trump.

I just laugh and turn the channel. Morality is long gone from this world.